2019-nCoV / Corona virus Pt 2

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The problem with this thinking is that it is not a case of simply weighing up the risks and rewards to yourself, which you can easily do for yourself, but also the risks to other people who come into contact with those who get the reward of going to the music festival.
I was thinking more of the risks and rewards to Austin as a whole, I don't have any involvement in SXSW, the decision to cancel didn't affect me personally. Maybe indirectly, as more people suffering here means less business in Austin, but that is only a small portion of my income. What is hurting me is Art Festivals across the US being cancelled.
 
The way I read it is 2 flu seasons, I thought that was clear from the quote I included. They said the winter months BETWEEN 2013-2014 and 2016-2017. They could have meant all four years though I suppose.

Go to the actual study itself. You shouldn’t rely on second or third-hand summaries of studies because things get lost along the way or the authors might end up skewing things to fit their biases, often without knowing.

Better yet, make note of the names of the authors of the study, contact them and ask them if your use of their data is an appropriate way of comparing the flu with COVID 19.
 
I was thinking more of the risks and rewards to Austin as a whole, I don't have any involvement in SXSW, the decision to cancel didn't affect me personally. Maybe indirectly, as more people suffering here means less business in Austin, but that is only a small portion of my income. What is hurting me is Art Festivals across the US being cancelled.

I didn’t necessarily mean “you” personally but I could have said “one” to make it clearer. It’s a bit archaic now though.
 
Game between OKC Thunder and Utah Jazz cancelled because one of the player was ill before the game started. Building evacuated. COuld be a false alarm of course, and it could just be a bad burger for lunch, but shows how panicky people are.
 
Video: Food/medicine delivery in Wuhan

That's the luxury a billion people bring. NZ wouldn't be able to organise that in a year, let alone the red tape you need to wade through.

How long did it take cases to explode in Italy?

Yo - you and I are very much on the same page now.

Do you think it's time to walk back that whole "Influenza is thousands of times more deadly than coronovirus" thing?

Actually, I'm just kidding - we all make mistakes and it's clear you've moved on.

I'm hoping to Bob that I've made a mistake in suggesting 50,000,000 dead is a possibility, but if some of these "developed" countries don't start acting, it will be all that and more, because in among the talk of Italy, USA, et al, nobody's mentioned India, Brazil, Egypt, Nigeria and other countries with large populations and less-robust systems.

Yes, Italy seems to have it bad, 827 deaths. So why don't we compare that to their flu deaths?

Ho hum.

Let's compare deaths after the epidemic.

To do so now is dishonest.

A friend of mine apparently weighed up the risks to sending his child to nursery with a fever and decided the rewards to him were worth the risk to others.

Just an example.

Jesus H Christ. I hate parents like that. And I know a hell of a lot of them.

Some bitch started complaining in my earshot the other day that her teacher sent her kid home because it was sick. She somehow thought the school should deal with it and let the kid infect everyone else's kid. I gave her both barrels.

Now, if we can refine this virus and get it to kill all the ********* like that, we'd be fine.
 
If, like me, you're a bit maths-challenged, I found this to be a very good video explaining exponential growth as it relates to Covid-19.



His rather pithily-worded conclusion: If people are sufficiently worried, there's much less to worry about, but if no-one is worried, that's when you should worry.
 
Game between OKC Thunder and Utah Jazz cancelled because one of the player was ill before the game started. Building evacuated. COuld be a false alarm of course, and it could just be a bad burger for lunch, but shows how panicky people are.

I wonder if the player’s symptoms had any resemblance to the known Covid-19 symptoms.
 
The amount of people that are known to have been infected in Sweden is now 500 and the first death related to the viral disease occurred yesterday.

Region Stockholm, where most infected people have been diagnosed, will no longer test people unless they are a part of a risk group or hospitalized. Others who suspect that they are sick are told to self-quarantine themselves.

- These are instead encouraged to stay at home and not to spend time with anyone other than the person or people you live with, says Erik Berglund.

- If you are 20 years old and strong, you have to wait out the disease.

“You who have symptoms similar to coronavirus will not be tested. This applies regardless of whether you have been in the areas that were previously exposed to infection or had close contact with someone you know is ill in covid-19, ”the region writes in a press release.
 
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I wonder if the player’s symptoms had any resemblance to the known Covid-19 symptoms.
No Doubt. Problem is the early COvid 19 styptoms are like those of for a wide range of illneses, including the common cold.
 
Trump speech announced a ban on all travel to and from Europe..except for the UK.
Which puzzles the hell out of me because don';t they have the virus in the UK.
My god what an idiot.
 
Trump speech announced a ban on all travel to and from Europe..except for the UK.
Which puzzles the hell out of me because don';t they have the virus in the UK.
My god what an idiot.

It doesn’t puzzle me at all. He made barbed comments about the EU and imposed restrictions on them - because he doesn’t like them. And he made exceptions for the UK because Boris is his mate and despite apparently not realizing that the UK is still in a transition period with the EU so there is still free movement between the UK and EU.

He’s making policy not on what is most effective but who kisses up to him. He’s a moron.

The speech was awful as well. Just him blowing his own horn the whole time.
 
Tom Hanks just Tweeted that he and his wife have tested positive for the virus. This puts a famous international face on the issue. I expect the panic meter to go off the dial.
 
Trump speech announced a ban on all travel to and from Europe..except for the UK.
Which puzzles the hell out of me because don';t they have the virus in the UK.
My god what an idiot.


Yeah. I just saw that announcement and had exactly the same thought.

Also.

Effective action?

Or panic?

Inquiring minds want to know.
 
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Do you think it's time to walk back that whole "Influenza is thousands of times more deadly than coronovirus" thing?

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Let's compare deaths after the epidemic.

To do so now is dishonest.

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There are two crucially important factors to bear in mind when comparing COVID-19 with what's colloquially known as "seasonal flu".

The first is the one which the media usually focus on: the mortality rate. Current evidence (though many of the stats - especially those from China - still have reliability issues) suggests that the total-population mortality rate for COVID-19 is something between 2.5% and 3.5%. By contrast, the typical total-population mortality rate for seasonal flu in developed nations is 0.1%-0.2%.

This implies that death rates from COVID-19 might be something between 15 and 30 times higher than from seasonal flu. That's one heck of a difference. A good portion of that difference is not exactly due to any greater inherent "nastiness" of COVID-19, but is rather down to the fact that we don't currently have an effective and widely-available vaccine for it (as we do with seasonal flu). As with seasonal flu, the vast majority of all COVID-19 mortalities will be among very elderly people or those with serious underlying illnesses.


But the second - and often overlooked - factor, and one which is actually much more important when trying to predict infection levels (and thus mortality levels) is related to the ease with which the virus is spread from human to human. This is known as the Basic Reproduction Number, or R0. R0 effectively represents the average number of people who become infected from a single carrier. R0 for seasonal flu is typically 1.3. For COVID-19 (again with caveats about the quality and reliability of current data), R0 appears to be in the region of 2-3.

So this implies that the typical COVID-19 carrier will infect between 2 and 3 other people, compared with the typical seasonal flu carrier infecting 1.3 others on average. And while the difference might not seem all that large (especially when compared with the headline-grabbing difference in mortality rates), it's actually hugely significant - and it has a vast effect upon the numbers who become infected.

As an example, if you apply R0 through a set of 10 passes of seasonal flu, then the calculation goes like this: the average carrier will infect 1.3 people. Those 1.3 people will then in turn infect 1.3x1.3 people. And so on. When that process happens 10 times, the total number of infected people will be 1 + 1.3^2 + 1.3^3....... + 1.3^10. That comes out at 55 people in total.

Now let's do the same calculation for COVID-19, using a mid-range R0 value of 2.5. It comes out at......... 15,893 people in total.

So: 10 onward transmissions of seasonal flu end up on average infecting 55 people in total; 10 onward transmissions of COVID-19 may well end up infecting (conservatively) nearly 16,000 people in total.

This ought to illustrate how COVID-19 appears to be spreading far more easily than seasonal flu, with huge consequential effects. And taken together with a mortality rate which appears to be an order of magnitude higher than that of seasonal flu, it should be pretty easy to see the gigantic difference in scale of the problem posed by COVID-19 when compared with seasonal flu.
 
The NBA (National Basketball Association) has suspended all play indefinitely.

I don't even watch basketball, but wow, this is big.
 
NBA just announced it is suspending the season after Rudy Golbert, the player whose illness caused the cancellation of the OKC/Utah game tonight, tested positive for the virus.
That is two celebs in one evening, one the big three American Sports leagues basically shuting down, and an horrid speech from Trump which I suspect even a lot of Republicans in private were appalled by.
The panic is going to be off the scales tomorrow.
And I don't even want to think what the markets are agoing to do.
 
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