Biden for President?

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Beelzebuddy said:
I'm worried about the next Trump.

Once Biden gets into office, then what?
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With Biden in office? Pretty much the same we're getting now. Biden and Trump are the same in their pattern of deliberately helping the rich get richer and making life harder for everybody else. They're the same on racial issues and other civil rights issues. They have the same complete lack of interest in anything environmental and cluelessness about any & all kinds of science. Nobody could seriously believe Biden would lift a finger to counteract a single one of Trump's executive orders. We'd be trading in one kind of laughter & head-shaking from other countries' leaders for another kind, but still laughter & head-shaking. There'd be no constant stream of rage-tweets, but that's not a matter of real government action on issues. He'd be likely to nominate the same kind of judges just because the Republicans would want him to (which he'd call a brilliant "compromise" without getting anything else in return for it).

The only substantial, real-world difference Biden would make from Trump is in the fact that Biden's never seen a war he didn't like and Trump has more pacifist instincts (although he's been torn between going with that impulse and simply serving his pro-war Republican masters).

Beelzebuddy said:
You can't play checkers with someone who'll flip the table over if it looks like they're losing. So what's he going to do instead?
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That's why a "don't scare the opposition" campaign doesn't work. It's what the Democrats have been trying for years & years, and all it's done is hand everything to the Republicans. They need to be defeated, not begged & pleaded with from a perpetually losing position, and the only way that can happen is if the Democrats finally quit constantly giving in and start actually fighting. Biden is just more of what we already know never gets anywhere; even nominating him at all would be just another act of giving in and not even trying. Like Bloomfield, it's really no different from literally picking a registered member of the Republican Party and calling him the Democrat candidate. He'd drift along for a few years going along with whatever the Republicans want, then retire blathering about how satisfied he was with his great & wonderful achievement of being so delightfully "bipartisan".
 
Biden is trying to run as the Second Coming of Obama, but de facto he is running as the Generic Democrat Candidate.
 
Stacyhs said:
As I suspected and mentioned previously, this rumor that Biden is in mental decline is being spread by Sanders supporters:

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/03/06/the-disinformation-campaign-being-launched-against-biden/

"The message is obviously getting out there."

It certainly is!

If this is not coming from Sanders' campaign as they claim, then I have to wonder if it could be part of a misinformation campaign coming from Russia. If so, it looks like they've succeeded from the amount of people passing this on in this very forum.
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Right, we're useful idiots.

Y'all need a new strategy.
 
I hate to agree with you guys, but that looked bad. Just as bad was the speech leading up to the mistake. Sorry, the man's toast. Can he delegate?
 
I for one am looking forward to a November election and series of debates between two old, senile and befuddled white men.

Is there any way to draft Michelle Obama, against her will if necessary?
 
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I'm not talking about waves and waves of millions of anybody. But the statistics show that younger people tend to favour Sanders while older people tend to favour Biden.
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Per usual, the typical regurgitated HuffPo hot take of a UKian. This post demonstrates a lack of understanding of US politics and the social fabric that underlies it.

Hey UKian, did you notice anything about Super Tuesday? Which states gave Biden a clear victory? Southern States. i.e. those with a large black population. (Biden beat Sanders in every state when it comes to black voters). Because black people love establishment democrats. And white people love "radicals" like Bernie. Ever seen a black person talk about Universal Health care? Of course you haven't (googling intensifies). Even within the Democratic party, there's a large and apparent racial divide. This will continue, Bernie will win OR and WA while Biden will win MI and MS (I don't care if you don't know state postal abbreviations, use google as you're fond of doing.)

eta: I said clear victory NB4 "but MN, ME"
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
Biden is trying to run as the Second Coming of Obama, but de facto he is running as the Generic Democrat Candidate.
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Which should be all that's needed, unless you are keen on another 4 years of a narcissistic, demagogic, moron in the White House?
 
shemp said:
I for one am looking forward to a November election and series of debates between two old, senile and befuddled white men.

Is there any way to draft Michelle Obama, against her will if necessary?
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The problem is that while Trump may be befuddled, he's also glib. He can talk a blue streak and only later do realize it didn't make any sense.
 
Baylor said:
Hey UKian, did you notice anything about Super Tuesday? Which states gave Biden a clear victory? Southern States. i.e. those with a large black population. (Biden beat Sanders in every state when it comes to black voters). Because black people love establishment democrats. And white people love "radicals" like Bernie. Ever seen a black person talk about Universal Health care? Of course you haven't (googling intensifies). Even within the Democratic party, there's a large and apparent racial divide. This will continue, Bernie will win OR and WA while Biden will win MI and MS (I don't care if you don't know state postal abbreviations, use google as you're fond of doing.)

eta: I said clear victory NB4 "but MN, ME"
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Sure. But can't this all be true along with the statement that younger people tend to favour(sic) Sanders while older people tend to favour(sic) Biden.
 
Sideroxylon said:
The apologetics and tin foil stuff is hilarious.
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You quote a doctor in an attempt to show that Biden has dementia but leave out his following statement which contradicts that. That is dishonest. I quote Biden's own doctor who states he is mentally healthy.

I quote an article on a memo, seen by Newsweek and the Sanders campaign communication director, that is directing Sanders supporters to push the dementia rumor. Newsweek also reported that:

The nine-point document emerged hours after the former vice president's stunning and unexpected Super Tuesday triumph. It advised supporters to argue that the results of Super Tuesday in Texas, where Biden upset Sanders by about 4 points on late-breaking momentum, and California, where Sanders is beating Biden by almost 9 points, were tainted by "massive voter suppression in Bernie-favorable parts" of those states
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The document also blamed Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren for costing Sanders votes and, thus, victories in Massachusetts, Texas, Minnesota, Oklahoma and Maine. All of those states went to Biden.

"This fight is just beginning," the document concluded.
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https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-san...ating-about-joe-bidens-obvious-mental-1490513

You hand wave away all the above because it refutes your beliefs and attempt to dismiss it as "apologetics and tin foil stuff" because you cannot dispute it with anything else.

Delphic Oracle said:
Right, we're useful idiots.

Y'all need a new strategy.
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Those are your words, not mine.

I've presented evidence that Biden has a decades long history of doing exactly what he's doing now, statements from two doctors that he is mentally healthy, a report on a Sanders supporting memo circulating to push the "dementia" claim, and a report quoting a speech pathologist that Biden's stuttering problem can often present as memory lapses, etc. What have you and others claiming Biden has dementia presented as evidence of that claim? Nothing other than some videos showing Biden doing exactly what he's always done.

Dr. Bandy Lee, who has warned about Trump's mental unfitness, stated that:

I do not diagnose without examination and do not speak about public figures in general, unless there is evidence of such profound danger to public health and well-being because of serious signs of mental instability in a public servant, that it would be a public disservice not to share the knowledge and training that I have. Biden has not risen to this threshold…

This is definitively Donald Trump, not Biden.
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(Washington Monthly)

If she believed Biden has dementia, she would most certainly think he'd be a danger to the public health and well-being as POTUS.

I think y'all need a new strategy...like actually presenting some real evidence.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
What would you count as evidence? If I posted a sourced quote from a real MD saying that Joe Biden likely has dementia would that count as evidence?
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Caitlin's collection I've posted in #49 has now grown from the original 30 to 41 "gaffes", including the ones pointed out on the recent pages of this thread. Uncle Joe is a daily performer now. I don't think it is appropriate to post the link again, as it is so funny to see Stacy and cohorts deny reality that is plainly visible to everybody.
 
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sir drinks-a-lot said:
Sure. But can't this all be true along with the statement that younger people tend to favour(sic) Sanders while older people tend to favour(sic) Biden.
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It can but it's more of a myopic way to look at things and it's not the generation gap that's dividing the Democratic party. UKians look at the US as if everybody's a white person and that's why their takes are so idiotic.
 
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