2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

[Brainster]

So the smear campaign begins. Dear Leader is proud of you.

So you think Joe seems perfectly coherent? Look back over this thread and you will see lots of the liberal posters expressing concern for his mental health.

 

[Brainster]

BTW, Bloomberg ads are still running in heavy rotation here in AZ.

 

[Cabbage]

Let's blame everybody but Bernie for what happened last night.
That Bernie flubbed it when it came to appealing to people outside his progressive base is simply unthinkable..

You seem to be composed of nothing more than straw men and misrepresentations these days.

 

[Craig4]

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I'm sure he thinks as I do that the Democrats have stumbled upon a winning strategy for November; just don't run anyone who is bat **** crazy.

 

[Cabbage]

Did Mitch do anything illegal? No? You mean he used the rules of institution to block legislation? Oh, so it was competition after all.

Oh well, you see your way and I see it mine. And we both see it slipping away . . .

Yeah, what do you need me for if you are going to answer your questions for me? You are as naive in this thread as your were in the Trump mental health thread:

Ethics =/= Legal

Compete =/= Legal

That implies he cheated or something. Did he? No? Your hyperbole is easily dismissed. Do we really need to rehash American political history to show all the instances of various politicians blocking legislation?

It sure is easily dismissed when you answer for me. Yeah, he cheated, and I think the stealing of a Supreme Court Justice should qualify as illegal. I'm sure you'll disagree, but I've never really been concerned with what you think.

What about all that legislation Bernie couldn't even get his friends in the Democratic Party to seriously consider? Is that Mitch's fault too? Oh no . . . that's Fox News' and ignorant voters' fault somehow . . .

And that's ok. We aren't likely to agree on this.
Oh sure, nominations have never ever been blocked before in history. So new.

Give me an example. You haven't. You can't. And not of your goal post shift, either. I didn't say blocked, I'm saying he didn't even allow a hearing for Merrick Garland. Unprecedented.

And that's different from the "competing interests" idea . . . how, exactly?

You're confusing two different things. I never said that wasn't competing interests--That referred to McConnell. As usual, you're not even paying attention. You are a waste of my time.

Bad analogy.

Perfectly appropriate analogy, in fact.

Of course, it's never Sanders' fault!

Oh dear, yet another straw man from you. I'm not surprised. That's all you've ever had.

It's all the stupid people who won't listen to him! We would all have free healthcare, college, ponies and 3 chickens in our pots if only everyone else wasn't so damned ignorant.



I don't think I'm the one confusing anything. You are saying exactly what I'm saying: Bernie has not been able to build a national coalition representing progressive interests that is strong enough to outcompete other interests. Agreed?

Sure, I'll agree with that. I would have agreed with that had it been what you said in the first place, but that wasn't what you said earlier. Yet another way you waste my time.

It's not Bernie's fault that other people don't agree with him. This is true. But it's also not other people's fault that they don't agree with him. They simply have different interests.

Nope. I can and do still blame the unethical, possibly illegal, obstruction within the GOP for many years now.

Goodbye. I'm tired of your straw men and misrepresentations. That is all you've ever brought to the table with me and I have better things to do.

 

[Cabbage]

Well, yeah. But in some politicians, this is a sign of dangerous mental illness. In others it's nothing to worry about.

I will pop in to offer you one more compliment: Nice Straw Man!

 

[angrysoba]

Re Biden versus Trump in the gaffe department:
Biden puts his foot in his mouth on occasion. Trump keeps it there 24/7.

Trump’s gaffes aren’t gaffes though. They are giving his supporters what they want.

“Ha ha! He made fun of the handicap man! Ha ha! He’s so trolling the libs!”

 

[Brainster]

Here's an article that talks a bit about the youth vote failing to show up:

In Alabama, only 10% of the voters were in the 17-29 range compared to 14% in 2016. Sanders won 46% of those voters Tuesday compared to 40% in 2016.
In North Carolina, 14% of Tuesday’s electorate were young voters, compared to 16% four years ago. Of those, 57% went for Sanders in 2020 compared to 69% in 2016.
In South Carolina which held its primary Saturday, young voters made up 11% of the electorate compared to 15% in 2016. Sanders won 43% of those voters compared to 54% four years ago.
In Tennessee, 11% of those voters showed up Tuesday versus 15% in 2016. Sanders did better among that group Tuesday winning 63% compared to 61% four years ago.
In Virginia, young voters comprised 13% of Tuesday’s vote compared to 16% in 2016. Sanders won 55% of those voters Tuesday compared with 69% four years ago.

 

[Distracted1]

Here's an article that talks a bit about the youth vote failing to show up:

You have a link to that?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

What if the baby's wearing a MAGA hat?

“Kill it.” - M. Boomblurg

 

[dudalb]

Here's an article that talks a bit about the youth vote failing to show up:

Yeah, the whole 'Bernie will energize the young voters in a way we have not seen before and that will give him victory" is about as classic a version of the 'Lost Political Tribe" fallacy as we are likely to see.

 

[TragicMonkey]

I'm sure he thinks as I do that the Democrats have stumbled upon a winning strategy for November; just don't run anyone who is bat **** crazy.

And they seem to be settling for either Ramblin' Joe or Fist-Shaking Bernie as their "not crazy" options? Oh, dear. This is going to be a very tight race no matter which horse is running.

 

[Doghouse Reilly]

Let's make a distinction between screwed and really screwed. We're really screwed if Trump names RBG's replacement. And maybe Breyer's.

I don't see how she can hang on for another 5 years, and it's almost certain that Trump will be reelected. No way can Biden beat him.

 

[acbytesla]

He's of course exactly right, and I have been baffled for quite some time that "progressives" bought her shtick, with her complete fake history. I called it a long time ago that the "Pocahontas" nickname actually finished her.

Each day she will refuse to step aside will be testimony to how fake she is.

Shtick? Elizabeth Warren is a smart and hard working woman. She did more for the middle class and the poor than POS Trump has done in his entire life. The nickname didn't finish her. It was that she's a wonk. Always getting down to the details when the public doesn't have an attention span for them.

 

[Doghouse Reilly]

Well it was quite unlikely that someone like Bloomberg would ever support someone like Sanders.

Therefore, for Bloomberg, the obvious choice for his support would be for Biden.

By the way, with all of this sudden Biden support, then I sure do hope that this becomes known as the moment where Trump actually does lose the presidential race.

Are you joking? You really think that Biden would be Trump? That seems like incredibly unwarranted optimism.

 

[Doghouse Reilly]

And they seem to be settling for either Ramblin' Joe or Fist-Shaking Bernie as their "not crazy" options? Oh, dear. This is going to be a very tight race no matter which horse is running.

This. Anyone who thinks Biden can win must not have been watching him very carefully. The guy is very weird in an uncomfortable way. Trump gets away with being crazy because that's his thing. It won't work for Biden.

 

[William Parcher]

I haven't been paying attention but maybe somebody here knows. Which of these candidates is planning to add more national parks and wildlife refuges? Do any of them have a platform for endangered species?

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Shtick? Elizabeth Warren is a smart and hard working woman. She did more for the middle class and the poor than POS Trump has done in his entire life. The nickname didn't finish her. It was that she's a wonk. Always getting down to the details when the public doesn't have an attention span for them.

Nah, people liked that. I think she just wasn't polarizing enough. The Biden and Bernie people screaming at each other sucked all the oxygen out of the room.

I haven't been paying attention but maybe somebody here knows. Which of these candidates is planning to add more national parks and wildlife refuges? Do any of them have a platform for endangered species?

Warren does.

Bernie wants to tell you about the health care, and Biden wants to remind you he knows Obama.

 

[SezMe]

And I'm still pointing out that McConnell and the GOP have engaged in an unprecedented level of obstructionism. You can't just hand wave that away and pretend it's Sanders fault for overcoming that obstruction; place the blame where it clearly lies.

If Bernie had been effective at building a national following, McConnell's obstructionism would have been an asset he could have used as a selling point. Bernie has his niche voters but he has not been effective at broadening it. He's a good, small state pol but ineffective on the national level.

 

[SezMe]

You'll abstain, then?

(also, in the other thread you mentioned 'happy', which is what this was supposed to be a joke about, but now I'm confused.)

When you have to explain a joke it is no longer a joke.