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2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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The Atheist said:
That, while absolutely true, goes down like a cup of cold puke with Bernie Bros.

Lots of Sanders' supporters are every bit as illogical and bigoted as Trump's.

Talk is cheap, and that appears to be the extent of Bernie's abilities. A NZ columnist put it very neatly when he described Sanders as an old man shouting at the wind.

I always thought his chicken was crap, too.
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I have no opinion about that.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Damn it. My state's primary is next Tuesday. I wanted to get a chance to vote for a candidate I actually like at least once!
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Segnosaur said:
She'll still probably be on the ballot, so you can still vote for her.
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In addition to ten candidates, we actually have None of the Above, er, Uconmmitted Delegates on ours. I may just vote for that.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
There's no doubt Biden has some seriously worrisome flaws.

But no other candidates were rising to the top. So unfortunate. :(
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“We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men and women created … by the — you know — you know the thing.” - Joe Biden

The thing about Joe's recent "gaffes" is that they're different than they used to be. Earlier in his career he'd just lie or say something stupid or offensive. But now he's regularly losing his train of thought and getting confused. These are signs of a serious cognitive decline. And no other candidate in the race, including Trump and Sanders, is showing anything like this sort of decline. It's sad, really.

But don't worry, it doesn't actually matter who wins the primary. None of the Democrat candidates had any shot.

Hopefully Trump's attacks will have lost a lot of effect now that people can see what an incompetent POTUS he's been.
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“If the question is when markets will recover [from Trump's election], a first-pass answer is never.” - Paul Krugman

We were promised Trump would bring the apocalypse. It never arrived.
 
Ziggurat said:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men and women created … by the — you know — you know the thing.” - Joe Biden

The thing about Joe's recent "gaffes" is that they're different than they used to be. Earlier in his career he'd just lie or say something stupid or offensive. But now he's regularly losing his train of thought and getting confused. These are signs of a serious cognitive decline. And no other candidate in the race, including Trump and Sanders, is showing anything like this sort of decline. It's sad, really.

But don't worry, it doesn't actually matter who wins the primary. None of the Democrat candidates had any shot.



“If the question is when markets will recover [from Trump's election], a first-pass answer is never.” - Paul Krugman

We were promised Trump would bring the apocalypse. It never arrived.
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As much as I may not wish to, I must agree that Biden is showing signs of a much more rapid decline than any of the other geezers vying for the POTUS position. He is fighting it, but it seems clear that he is fading.

On a more positive, and light hearted note, Trump is seeming to me to be wearing down pretty quickly of late- and we can't rule out a happy (for the world, of course, not for him)
cardiac event in the near future.
 
Trebuchet said:
In addition to ten candidates, we actually have None of the Above, er, Uconmmitted Delegates on ours. I may just vote for that.
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One of the candidates should have legally changed their name to "Not Trump". They might have done very well in the primaries.
 
Segnosaur said:
Saying "We would rather not have Bernie as a candidate" is not the same as "Bernie is evil and so are his supporters".
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I must admit I don't get your point. Where's this coming from? I never said anyone said that.

I must have missed it... when did Chris Matthews become a major Democratic leader?

Yup... just what we want from a Democratic nominee for president: Someone who gets slighted and then lashes out against everyone. Reminds me of someone, but I can't remember who...
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Well, he's on TV, that counts for something, whether you're prepared to admit it or not. There have been lots of other comments running around as well; I've heard comments attributed to Obama about blocking Bernie from the nomination. Don't try gaslighting me and telling me this is all in my head; it's not.

And you're being disingenuous as hell if you think any of Bernie's reactions are comparable to Trump. Yeah, I know you didn't mention Trump specifically, but you know the reference is very clear.
 
theprestige said:
Nobody's talking about McConnell obstructing Sanders' bills in the Senate. This is about Sanders lifelong lack of success at building a coalition or a voting bloc. Where's Sanders' version of the Blue Dogs? Nowhere. It's just him. Where's Sanders' version of the Squad? Nowhere. It's just him.

That isn't McConnell's fault.
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Bull.

Nobody's talking about McConnel? I was. Yeah, I know I'm probably no one to you, but recall the original post that inspired this tangent:

The Atheist said:
I'll just note the obvious point that when Trump is accusing the Democratic Party of ripping off Bernie, Bernie is their preferred guy to face in the election. I saw an excellent piece the other day that exposed Sanders' complete lack of success in 1000 years in the Senate and it made me realise he's a pretty hollow character.
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That was what was originally said. I can respect you were talking about something else, but you can't blame me if this is what I had in mind: It was there from the beginning. And McConnell does indeed bear much of the blame for Sanders being blocked in the Senate.

But not to ignore your point: What do you mean, "It's just him"? Last time I checked, quite a few people are very enthusiastic about voting for Bernie. They even have a name: Bernie Bros. Perhaps you've heard of them? Yes, I'll admit they aren't enough in number to guarantee the nomination for Bernie. They are sufficient to expose "It's just him" as ridiculously incorrect, however.
 
The billionaires with with Biden or Trump. Lets not anger the Market God and let the system keep screwing over the workers for profits.
 
xjx388 said:
McConnell represents just such a competing interest. Bernie hasn’t convinced enough people throughout the nation, in places like Kentucky, that his progressive platform is worth supporting over others like the platform McConnell represents.

Therefore, Bernie has not been successful, in his long career as a politician, in advancing his agenda.

What you call “obstruction,” is simply competing interests, you know . . . competing. If Sanders’ interests were winning, he would be the one “obstructing” McConnell and we’d all have free healthcare, college and ponies by now.
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No, it's not the same as just competing. There are instances of Republicans withdrawing support from their own bills they introduced (once Obama supported them). That's not competing, that's just hyperpartisan-I-refuse-to-compromise-with-anyone obstruction. Competing is when both parties engage in good faith efforts to legislate for the betterment of the country. That is not what today's GOP is about, at all.

For your first part, please note your own goal post move: Your original comment was:

xjx388 said:
If Sanders had been successful at builing a nationwide coalition of voters who want the same things he wants, there would be no Mitch McConnell to contend with.
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I continue to claim he has. You have now shifted to:


xjx388 said:
Therefore, Bernie has not been successful, in his long career as a politician, in advancing his agenda.
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No further comment necessary.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Trump can't attack Biden based on Hunter because Trump's got a whole book of corruption that can be thrown back in his face. And there are dozens of videos of Trump slurring his speech and misspeaking. There's ammo this time around.
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Trump is a classic case study for the phenomenon of psychological projection. He certainly can and does attack people for things that he himself is weak on. There was ammo last time too; it just didn't affect enough voters in a couple of swing states.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Trump can't attack Biden based on Hunter because Trump's got a whole book of corruption that can be thrown back in his face.
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Surely you are kidding me with this. Now that Biden is back in the limelight, the political prosecution of Hunter Biden will resume without a lost step.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I contend that if there's a baby playing in the street and Ted and Bill stop to have a big showy moral debate about whether they should rescue the baby because it's the right thing to do or whether they should do it to decrease the chances of the baby causing a multi-card pile up instead of one of them just going into street and getting the baby they should both be slapped.
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What if the baby's wearing a MAGA hat?
 
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