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2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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JoeMorgue said:
Bernie is attacking the very people whose help he will need to win in November if he gets the nomination.
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And again this is my biggest issue. It's not even like he doesn't understand that openly insulting and being hostile to the very people he's demanding help him isn't a good idea, it's that he completely understands it's a bad idea but doesn't care because he thinks such piddling human concerns don't apply to him because he has "morals."
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Between Sanders attacking "Democratic Elites", and the whole "Cuba wasn't all bad... they can read gooder than before", Sanders seems to be completely tone-deaf when it comes to politics.

Its not a good sign, even if he does manage to win the nomination.
 
Warren is "reassessing" her campaign.
Time to get a betting pool started on how long until she quits. I think she will be gone by Friday.
 
theprestige said:
But maybe "fresh" isn't the right word. Williamson and Mayor Pete both seemed pretty fresh, but not fresh enough. Or maybe it's that unlike Obama and Trump, they lack the "powerful" ingredient?
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It seemed like Williamson was onto something powerful, or maybe just potent?

Ziggurat said:
When a smart person does something that doesn't make sense to you (like Warren staying in the race despite not having a chance and hurting Bernie), don't assume that they're being stupid. Instead, consider that maybe you don't understand what their actual goal is.

I don't know what Warren's goal is, but it may not be making sure a progressive wins the nomination.
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Good advice.
 
dudalb said:
Warren is "reassessing" her campaign.
Time to get a betting pool started on how long until she quits. I think she will be gone by Friday.
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Damn it. My state's primary is next Tuesday. I wanted to get a chance to vote for a candidate I actually like at least once!
 
Bernie should have a good chance next week: Michigan, Washington, Idaho and North Dakota are voting. It looks like he's pretty much getting skunked in the South, so Mississipi is no chance and I suspect Missouri is out of reach as well.
 
xjx388 said:
If Sanders had been successful at builing a nationwide coalition of voters who want the same things he wants, there would be no Mitch McConnell to contend with.
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That doesn't follow. Distribution among states is an issue as well. It also assumes there isn't another nationwide coalition of voters fighting against him--There can be two or more with competing interests, you know.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Damn it. My state's primary is next Tuesday. I wanted to get a chance to vote for a candidate I actually like at least once!
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Well, I expect that the ballots are already printed, so you will still be able to vote for her.

But if not, then I suggest that you look into a "write-in candidate". I think that every state allows for write-ins for those who are not actually listed on the ballot.
 
theprestige said:
I don't think anyone is blaming Sanders for not compromising with McConnell.

I think the point is, Sanders has not been successful at building the kind of voting bloc that can effectively press his policy at the national level.
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And I'm still pointing out that McConnell and the GOP have engaged in an unprecedented level of obstructionism. You can't just hand wave that away and pretend it's Sanders fault for overcoming that obstruction; place the blame where it clearly lies.
 
Segnosaur said:
First of all, your argument seems to come down to "whataboutism"... "Bernie and supporters were treated bad, so its ok for Bernie to treat others bad". Not exactly an argument that is very smart to make.
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I specifically refer to the comment "Pissing off a good chunk of those resources is not the way to go." It's not whataboutism to point out that ostracizing Bernie does precisely that to his supporters; that's a fact and you should not ignore it.

Secondly, we aren't talking about some individual posters on some on-line forum. We are talking about the activities of the party leaders. Sanders himself is painting things as an "us or them" in an attack against certain democrats. Maybe I overlooked it, but I don't recall either Hillary (in 2016) or any of the current Democratic front runners claiming that Democrats who support Sanders are somehow "not democrats".
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I honestly can't blame him when you get people like Chris Matthews, for example, comparing one of his primary wins with the Nazi invasion of France. I really don't see how you can blame someone for fighting back against that sort of outrageous rhetoric.
 
Cabbage said:
First of all, your argument seems to come down to "whataboutism"... "Bernie and supporters were treated bad, so its ok for Bernie to treat others bad". Not exactly an argument that is very smart to make.
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I specifically refer to the comment "Pissing off a good chunk of those resources is not the way to go." It's not whataboutism to point out that ostracizing Bernie does precisely that to his supporters; that's a fact and you should not ignore it.
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Saying "We would rather not have Bernie as a candidate" is not the same as "Bernie is evil and so are his supporters".
Secondly, we aren't talking about some individual posters on some on-line forum. We are talking about the activities of the party leaders. Sanders himself is painting things as an "us or them" in an attack against certain democrats. Maybe I overlooked it, but I don't recall either Hillary (in 2016) or any of the current Democratic front runners claiming that Democrats who support Sanders are somehow "not democrats".
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I honestly can't blame him when you get people like Chris Matthews, for example, comparing one of his primary wins with the Nazi invasion of France. I really don't see how you can blame someone for fighting back against that sort of outrageous rhetoric.
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I must have missed it... when did Chris Matthews become a major Democratic leader?

Yup... just what we want from a Democratic nominee for president: Someone who gets slighted and then lashes out against everyone. Reminds me of someone, but I can't remember who...
 
Belz... said:
You'll abstain, then?

(also, in the other thread you mentioned 'happy', which is what this was supposed to be a joke about, but now I'm confused.)
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Why would I abstain? Pursuit of happiness isn't the only motivation for every action.
 
theprestige said:
I figure, between instant gratification, deferred gratification, and profitable compromise, "pursuit of happiness" covers pretty much every possible motivation.
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I disagree. There is also stern duty, which should take precedence over selfish desires.
 
dudalb said:
I can't see the future, of course, but Biden, with all his flaws,..and he is a long way from being my first choice ... has a much better chance of beating Trump then Sanders does.
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Sorry, but Bernie has way more charisma than Biden.
 
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