Merged 2019-nCoV / Corona virus

[portlandatheist]

If you want to detect an outbreak of a disease BEFORE anyone else then you ask Google what are people asking it? If a known disease has as its first symptom blurry eyesight and people start googling blurry eyesight then it is evidence that this disease has started its outbreak. And this would be before doctors get consulted in bulk about blurry eyesight.

For blurry eyesight substitute something more realistic.

Google used to publish this data with flu trends but they no longer do so.
https://www.google.org/flutrends/about/

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Don't you think that is being a bit paranoid?

I live..as my above post shows...pretty damn close to a hospitlized Corona case...and I feel no need to go into survivialist mode. Take precautions sure, but that seems a bit extreme.

I have some emergency supplies (mainly in case of an Earthquake) and those will do for now.

I mean, I only bought food I'd eat anyway. This isn't a basement full of MRE's. It's food that we often eat that won't spoil. A few pounds of frozen ground meat, chicken breasts, butter, flour, and so on. If I don't need it, it'll just save us a few trips to the store until we eat it all. Normally the wife and I go to the grocery store 1-2 times a week. That doesn't seem that ideal if there is a virus spreading through town.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump tweets

A Poll in today’s New York Post says that 77% of “U.S. adults have confidence in their government’s ability to handle the Coronavirus (Number One), compared to other health threats.” 64% for Zika, 58% for Ebola. Others way down on list. Our professionals are doing a great job!

 

[pipelineaudio]

I mean, I only bought food I'd eat anyway. This isn't a basement full of MRE's. It's food that we often eat that won't spoil. A few pounds of frozen ground meat, chicken breasts, butter, flour, and so on. If I don't need it, it'll just save us a few trips to the store until we eat it all. Normally the wife and I go to the grocery store 1-2 times a week. That doesn't seem that ideal if there is a virus spreading through town.

Dude, that aint survival food! That's hey, next time I'm in the area I'm coming over for lunch! food

Where are you at and what can I bring

 

[The Atheist]

That's not possible. There is no capacity to even test that many cases.

In the entire world? You could be right, but that's where I'd expect the numbers to be.

Given that I reckon we're light by a factor of 10 in the official numbers, I imagine we'll be at a million cases about lunchtime tomorrow.

Check your maths. I think you are out by a factor of 10. It will take until 23 March to get a million cases. This depends on how fast you assume it is spreading. I assume a doubling in four days. But if it is any less I may have to consult you about new glasses.

Well, the last double took three days, and I'm picking it will double in the next two days, then keep increasing exponentially until shutdowns start to slow it a bit.

Trump tweets

A Poll in today’s New York Post says that 77% of “U.S. adults have confidence in their government’s ability to handle the Coronavirus (Number One), compared to other health threats.” 64% for Zika, 58% for Ebola. Others way down on list. Our professionals are doing a great job!

Ask again in 10 days' time.

Not that I'm sure NY Post readers are a good guide.

 

[The Atheist]

So. What's the leading indicator? Cough? Fever? Malaise?

Much like influenza - cough, fever, feeling like crap.

The problem starts if it causes pneumonia.

 

[Meadmaker]

Panic buying happening now at stores throughout the West Coast. No, you will not find toilet paper or Clorox wipes. Hurry for canned foods.

I had to go to the store today, so after I read this I wondered if here in Michigan there would be signs of this. Would they be on the shelves?

There was no shortage of disinfecting wipes. In fact, they were prominently displayed in the entrance display of the store at both Meijer and Home Depot.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Dude, that aint survival food! That's hey, next time I'm in the area I'm coming over for lunch! food

Where are you at and what can I bring

I mean, I do have 1000 rounds of 5.56 and 1000 rounds of 9mm. Does that give me end of the world cred? Why stock resources when you have a superiority of violence?

 

[angrysoba]

Will the US set up drive through testing like they are doing in South Korea? It does look like South Korea has been more on top of this than most other countries I can mention.

 

[William Parcher]

So. What's the leading indicator? Cough? Fever? Malaise?

They are saying the initial symptoms are sore throat and headache moving to fever. That's not really different than getting sick from other common illnesses.

Unfortunately the earliest leading indicator is that you are all good. Infecting everyone while bopping around on top of the world wondering who is down with that coronavirus.

 

[William Parcher]

I did actually go to WM last night and stocked up on canned goods. Lots of areas looked ransacked but I don't know if that was just the standard for that particular store.

What I want to know about is Pringles. Did you look?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Two new cases here: one at Valley Medical, Renton, the hospital I used to work at.

The other at Swedish Virginia Mason, Seattle, where my DIL currently works! At least she's in surgery and not on a ward or the ED. Plenty of personal protective gear. That leaves the break or lunch room, or nearby restaurants for exposure risk.

https://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/health/news/2020/March/1-covid19-cases.aspx

Might be a priest infected in Rome. The Pope has been ill and he's often exposed. I hope that's not coronavirus.

Schumer's introduced a bill making the vaccine, when developed, covered under Medicare.

McConnell better not sit on this bill or he's toast in 2020. I hope he's toast in 2020 anyway of course.

 

[arthwollipot]

South Korea to charge Shincheonji church leader over coronavirus spread, church accused of hiding information

The leader of a religious sect in South Korea is facing charges of gross negligence over some of the country's coronavirus deaths.


Seoul's city government asked prosecutors to charge Lee Man-hee, the founder of the Shincheonji church, and 11 others. The church is accused of hiding the names of some members as officials tried to track patients before the virus spread.

South Korea is battling the worst coronavirus outbreak outside China, with almost 4,000 cases confirmed and 21 deaths so far.

Most of the South Korean patients have been traced to a branch of the Shincheonji church of Jesus in the south-eastern city of Daegu.

The church, a secretive religious sect and alleged "super spreader" has reportedly been dubbed a "public harm auntie" by South Koreans who are angry its followers appear to be ignoring advice to get tested.

Authorities say the style of worship — tightly packed congregations where worshippers kneel close together — means cases among followers will continue to rise.

Shincheonji Church of Jesus worshipers are also forbidden from wearing glasses and face masks during prayer services, which may have helped the virus spread.

The founder claims to be the second coming of Jesus.

 

[marting]

Just stopped at the grocers here in San Diego. No shortages. Lines were normal and people were buying the usual stuff. Should be interesting in another few weeks.

 

[The Atheist]

I mean, I do have 1000 rounds of 5.56 and 1000 rounds of 9mm. Does that give me end of the world cred? Why stock resources when you have a superiority of violence?

Damn right - shoot the virus!

Will the US set up drive through testing like they are doing in South Korea? It does look like South Korea has been more on top of this than most other countries I can mention.

Probably than any other country. Highly organised, population generally obey orders, and everyone is an army reservist. Highly structured society with very strong government tracking systems.

If they can't limit the spread, we're going to see some very ugly scenes very quickly.

Just stopped at the grocers here in San Diego. No shortages. Lines were normal and people were buying the usual stuff. Should be interesting in another few weeks.

One week, not several. The lag in symptoms and testing means USA will get hit with large increases starting about Wednesday & then all hell will start to break loose.

Unless, of course, Pence keeps a lid on the information, but no elected US official would lie, so should be fine.

 

[alfaniner]

What I want to know about is Pringles. Did you look?

I remember avoiding the snacks aisle 1) because I didn't want to be tempted and 2) I remember one of the stocking guys was blocking the aisle.

 

[rjh01]

I mean, I do have 1000 rounds of 5.56 and 1000 rounds of 9mm. Does that give me end of the world cred? Why stock resources when you have a superiority of violence?

The problem is that you might come across a person who is willing and able to defend themselves against you. Even worse you might suddenly discover that you do not have what it takes to kill someone who refuses to hand over their food. Or you find that everyone else is short of supplies.

Much better is to buy heaps of stock and then buy some real currency. After WW2 in Germany this was cigarettes. Today it is likely to be chocolate. Anything worth a lot per unit weight and volume and can be used by most people.

Just stopped at the grocers here in San Diego. No shortages. Lines were normal and people were buying the usual stuff. Should be interesting in another few weeks.

In Australia the supermarket was a bit busy today. No shortages yet. I guess a few people are voting with their feet to agree with me. BUY! BUY! BUY! (but no panic). Or it could be my imagination.

 

[chrispy]

So, talk in my country about closing access to people who have visited a country with identified Coronavirus cases. Because of our border and obvious population overlap with Mexico this is causing concern. I know we have a few posters in MExico... can anyone there tell me if they are hearing similar rhetoric or news?

 

[The Atheist]

In Australia the supermarket was a bit busy today.

NZ's making up for lost time.

I went to the supermarket just now to buy some fruit & veg and every person in there was stocking up hugely.

On toilet paper and bottled water, going by the empty shelves and people at checkout, every one of whom was pulling one or two trolleys loaded past the gunwales with toilet rolls and/or bottled water. In a city where the water is 100% drinkable 100% of the time.

 

[a_unique_person]

Iran has a fatality rate of 7% according to this.

'Unseen and undetected': How Iran became the epicentre for coronavirus in the Middle East
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-...picentre-of-the-coronavirus-outbreak/12014792

I am guessing this will be replicated in countries without the social organisation of western countries or China, or perhaps there is a more virulent strain in Iran.