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What are the finest examples of 9/ll Truther stupidity that you've ever encountered?

Always happy to comply with reasonable requests Carlitos. Complete with context.


http://truthstreammedia.com/2015/01...ything-the-american-public-believes-is-false/

[excerpt]

I am the source for this quote, which was indeed said by CIA Director William Casey at an early February 1981 meeting of the newly elected President Reagan with his new cabinet secretaries to report to him on what they had learned about their agencies in the first couple of weeks of the administration. The meeting was in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House, not far from the Cabinet Room. I was present at the meeting as Assistant to the chief domestic policy adviser to the President. Casey first told Reagan that he had been astonished to discover that over 80 percent of the ‘intelligence’ that the analysis side of the CIA produced was based on open public sources like newspapers and magazines. As he did to all the other secretaries of their departments and agencies, Reagan asked what he saw as his goal as director for the CIA, to which he replied with this quote, which I recorded in my notes of the meeting as he said it. Shortly thereafter I told Senior White House correspondent Sarah McClendon, who was a close friend and colleague, who in turn made it public.”
— Barbara Honegger
Not only does Honegger claim he said it, but apparently he said it in response to what he saw as his goal as CIA Director!
This statement was further backed by an email posted by Quora user Greg Smith from Honegger regarding the quote which is consistent and apparently prompted her to tell the story above:
“Seriously — I personally was the Source for that William Casey quote. He said it at an early Feb. 1981 meeting in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House which I attended, and I immediately told my close friend and political godmother Senior White House Correspondent Sarah McClendon, who then went public with it without naming the source… “


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Fonebone< You're welcome

Cool, do you have a relevant by anyone who hadn't been dead for 14 years by 2001?

The key to this mess is this part:

Casey first told Reagan that he had been astonished to discover that over 80 percent of the ‘intelligence’ that the analysis side of the CIA produced was based on open public sources like newspapers and magazines.

It still is. The CIA learns more from public media than it does from its classified techniques. CIA has never been good at misinformation because it has never been nimble or agile enough to stay ahead of the curve.

Either way, Casey's quote has no relevance to 911.
 
Cool, do you have a relevant by anyone who hadn't been dead for 14 years by 2001?


Fonebone< Yes William Colby's quote is relevant...
“The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” ― William ColbyAxxman>

The key to this mess is this part :


quote:



"Casey first told Reagan that he had been astonished to discover that over 80 percent of the ‘intelligence’ that the analysis side of the CIA produced was based on open public sources like newspapers and magazines. "

Fonebone<
Colby learned of the "astonishing discovery" his first week on the job .In his second week on the job Colby learned of Operation Mockingbird.



Axxman >


It still is. The CIA learns more from public media than it does from its classified techniques. CIA has never been good at misinformation because it has never been nimble or agile enough to stay ahead of the curve.
Either way, Casey's quote has no relevance to 911.

Flapdoodle -Colby's statement is spot-on concerning September eleventh 2001. Everything the American public knows about 9/11/2001 is FALSE !
Good job Mr Colby
 
Could Fonebone please cite Sarah McClendon going public with what B. Honegger claims to have scribbled down in 1981?
 
Perhaps you missed this post Qystein
"HUGE EXPLOSION !!! Raining debris down on all of us "_n.j. Burkett on
live TV as the WTC2 south tower disintegrates into a neat pile of dust and steel
in the background.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12818365#post12818365

First 30 seconds into the interview NJ Burkett screams into his microphone !

What's your point, Fonebone? There are no explosion sounds in this video consistent with explosive demolition, or are there?
 
"The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity."

- General George S. Patton


Difficult, but not impossible. In this post an anonymous cucurbita attempts to impeach the words of Seneca by denial.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5788337#post5788337


Seneca's authenticity was verified several posts later...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5816768#post5816768


Yes , difficult -But - with a little effort - not impossible.
 
Could Fonebone please cite Sarah McClendon going public with what B. Honegger claims to have scribbled down in 1981?


Are you attempting to question ms Honegger's veracity?


https://amallulla.org/casey/

[excerpt]
Barbara Honegger
Written 25 Nov 2014
I am the source for this quote, which was indeed said by CIA Director William Casey at an early February 1981 meeting of the newly elected President Reagan with his new cabinet secretaries to report to him on what they had learned about their agencies in the first couple of weeks of the administration. The meeting was in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House, not far from the Cabinet Room. I was present at the meeting as Assistant to the chief domestic policy adviser to the President. Casey first told Reagan that he had been astonished to discover that over 80 percent of the 'intelligence' that the analysis side of the CIA produced was based
on open public sources like newspapers and magazines.
As he did to all the other secretaries of their departments and agencies, Reagan asked what he
saw as his goal as director for the CIA, to which
he replied with this quote, which I recorded in my notes of the meeting
as he said it. Shortly thereafter I told Senior White House correspondent Sarah McClendon, who
was a close friend and colleague, who in turn made it public. Barbara Honegger[/excerpt]
 
Are you attempting to question ms Honegger's veracity?


https://amallulla.org/casey/

[excerpt]
Barbara Honegger
Written 25 Nov 2014
I am the source for this quote, which was indeed said by CIA Director William Casey at an early February 1981 meeting of the newly elected President Reagan with his new cabinet secretaries to report to him on what they had learned about their agencies in the first couple of weeks of the administration. The meeting was in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House, not far from the Cabinet Room. I was present at the meeting as Assistant to the chief domestic policy adviser to the President. Casey first told Reagan that he had been astonished to discover that over 80 percent of the 'intelligence' that the analysis side of the CIA produced was based
on open public sources like newspapers and magazines.
As he did to all the other secretaries of their departments and agencies, Reagan asked what he
saw as his goal as director for the CIA, to which
he replied with this quote, which I recorded in my notes of the meeting
as he said it. Shortly thereafter I told Senior White House correspondent Sarah McClendon, who
was a close friend and colleague, who in turn made it public. Barbara Honegger[/excerpt]

The problem is, the quote isn't something someone at that level would say. It's something that a conspiracy theorist would say that someone at that level would say. Surprised a bit she didn't add in some anti-Semitism into the quote. Also, as a response to that question, it wouldn't have satisfied Regan. Regan would have understood the role that the CIA was to project American influences to the outside world, and not to work inside the borders.

Regan asked "how do you see your role of Director" and he responded with "we will know our program …" and saying nothing about his role, but about a single program. It's not an answer to the question. So, yes, I'll question her veracity.
 
09:00 AM carlitos “ I love the luxury of a fine Corinthian leather” _Seneca Bozell




http://www.thehogring.com/2019/10/08/corinthian-leather/


[excerpt] But do you know where it comes from?
Most people would guess Corinth, Greece. After all, nothing says old world craftsmanship like sourcing your leather from a city founded in 700 BC.
It’s a good guess. But it’s about 5,000 miles off.
The real source of Corinthian leather? Newark, New Jersey.[/excerpt]


Seton leather to be exact.
 
Flapdoodle -Colby's statement is spot-on concerning September eleventh 2001. Everything the American public knows about 9/11/2001 is FALSE !
Good job Mr Colby

Colby, died in 1996. His supposed quote was attributed to him in the 2000's. He left the CIA in 1976. So two and a half decades pass since any information he had would be relevant, and four years after his death, someone said he said something. Honestly, is this the best you've got? Quotes attributed to the deceased after they died?
 
Are you attempting to question ms Honegger's veracity?
I not only attempt to, I totally DO question Honegger's veracity: she is a Truther and batcrap crazy.

https://amallulla.org/casey/

[excerpt]
Barbara Honegger
Written 25 Nov 2014
I am the source for this quote, ...
... Shortly thereafter I told Senior White House correspondent Sarah McClendon, who
was a close friend and colleague, who in turn made it public. Barbara Honegger[/excerpt]
Quoting Honegger does nothing to support what Honegger claims is correct.

She claims Sarah McClendon made the quote public. I asked you for evidence to support that. Which of course means an article by or transcript of Sarah McClendon actually (and verbatim!) writing or saying the quote publicly.
 
Flapdoodle -Colby's statement is spot-on concerning September eleventh 2001. Everything the American public knows about 9/11/2001 is FALSE !
Good job Mr Colby
oops, everything you know about 9/11 is false, you are projecting and failing

Wrong on this one too, like all your 9/11 truth lies and delusions. Where is your inside job evidence? Right, it is in the bit bucket


What is the point of the CIA BS about misinformation? It appears the 9/11 truth expert liars have succeeded with you, as all you post are lies and misinformation of an inside job you can't define or support with facts and evidence.
 
Wow. The "paid shill" claim turned up rather quickly.
She was trolling other peoples' comments, too, while unable or unwilling to answer a single question in return, but with all the time in the world to write snide remarks to people talking about their experiences. Probably one of those people who did it for the edgyness and attention more than actual, sincere belief.
 
The past two or three days, I had a lot of fun with a maximally stupid and dishonest debunker!

His name on Facebook is Daniel Grant Wilks.

He is a debunker, as I said, who likes to post against CD at WTC, Pentagon no-planers, nanothermite fans etc, so just my piece of cake.
Problem is, he doesn't understand the evidence, misrepresents it, and draws invalid conclusions. I frequently call him ion his errors, which makes him think I am a Truther, and he responds with insults and by throwing YouTubes and wildly copy&pasted stuff at me that barely ever addresses what I wrote.
In short, a guy with the mindset of a Truther, he is accidentally on the right side of history, but for all the wrong reasons.

The other day, he write a series of three or four comments at Facebook against me, where I recognized some of the text as copied from Steven Jones, some from someone arguing with Steven Jones, and some words apparently Daniel Grant Wilks' own commentary - but the lot without any credits, links or even just quote marks.
Simple googling revealed that he has lifted some of that stuff from a discussion at Metabunk:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/in...d-in-dust-from-the-9-11-wtc-catastrophe.9485/

Then he wrote a comment that was unusually clear, correct and well-written - implausible that it was his post. He had not marked it as a quote, but it had to be one:

Daniel Grant Wilks (impostor) said:
Yes, this is true. The WTC steel ame from half a dozen or more different steel manufacturers: I remember Pittsburgh Steel for part of the exterior columns, LaClede Steel for the floor trusses. Some other company provided the rest of the exterior columns, two or so companies shared in providing core columns, and then you have steel in the foundations and elsewhere, for which yet other companies were contracted.
And indeed, different paints were specified: The floor trusses (LaClede) were specified as LaClede's shop primer - epoxy matrix, iron oxide, aluminium silicate, strontium chromate. The exterior colums were to be painted with Tnemec Red 69 or 99, which is alkyd resin with linseed oil, and pigments of iron oxide, zinc chromate, plus talc, silica and calcium aluminates. We do not know what paint(s) were specified for the core columns. We do not know what was specified for WTC7. No doubt other paints were used.
Again, I suspected immediately he had stolen this, so Google was my friend, and I found the author:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/in...om-the-9-11-wtc-catastrophe.9485/#post-220424

Yep, that's true: Wilks had plagiarized me, yours truly, Oystein! :D


So I asked him why he quoted Oystein, and why he didn't attribute the quote to Oystein, and whether this Oystein is an expert, an authority. Indeed, who is this Oystein?

He first gave evasive answers, babbling something about a good friend of his who was "a WTC7 building engineer", and the Port Authority, and he frequently said things like "both are correct" or "both quotes confirm...", without ever making the context clear - which "both" did he mean?

Anyway, I kept pressing on, inquiring about this Oystein, and today, he cleared things up:

Oystein, he claimed, is not his friend, the WTC7 building engineer, but Oystein is another WTC7 building engineer who had worked there prior to and during 9/11.

And he had claimed that Oystein got comic relief from my misrepresentation of the Oystein quote, and my inability to identify Oystein, and that I was too stupid to understand the context of what Oystein had written.

:D

Man, what a hoot I had!

So today, about one and a half hours ago, I revealed to him (on Facebook) that I (Facebook name initials E.M.) am Oystein.
To prove it, I logged in at Metabunk and wrote a short message to Daniel Grant Wilks, identifying myself as E.M.


Now, you all get to guess who has put me on his block list :D
 
Very few technically qualified people will spend time debating or even discussing the collapse of the 2 towers. Lots of intelligent people with some to no expertise jump in believing they have the critical thinking to debate. And to do so they google and lift or quote statements of others which sound intelligent. Lots of dillitantes!

As an architect I have some knowledge applicable to those buildings. All architects study statics, strength of materials, design of steel structures and so on. The structural issues on high rises is a narrow discipline.

What I found interesting is the study of the visual record... movements of the building and interpreting what those movements meant. I've seen nothing which can be interpreted as having a CG origin without a non CD explanation making more sense. Since you can't seen inside the building... it's much like diagnosing a patient by examining external signs.

Most of the discussions are a waste of time. Witness Steve Da'ak aka Yankee. If you like to witness dumb then 9/11 discussions would be a good place to find it.
 

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