Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Okay. I'm happy to say that Obama was just as wrong on this issue as Trump is, and neither should escape appropriate negative consequences for their actions.

Is that the response you were hoping for?
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Obama has already escaped negative consequences because the corrupt mainstream media didn't care what he did.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Obama Intervened, Repeatedly, in Ongoing Trials and Investigations

"Few of the critics who are treating President Donald Trump’s comments on Roger Stone’s sentencing — widely viewed as unduly harsh — as an attack on the rule of law showed such strong concerns when then-President Barack Obama weighed in, repeatedly, on ongoing trials or investigations."

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...eatedly-in-ongoing-trials-and-investigations/
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Can you show me where Obama publicly called out and attacked a Juror?
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Obama Intervened, Repeatedly, in Ongoing Trials and Investigations

"Few of the critics who are treating President Donald Trump’s comments on Roger Stone’s sentencing — widely viewed as unduly harsh — as an attack on the rule of law showed such strong concerns when then-President Barack Obama weighed in, repeatedly, on ongoing trials or investigations."

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...eatedly-in-ongoing-trials-and-investigations/
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When you quote Brietbart and it doesn't even say what you're saying it says, seek help.
 
There is a big difference from what Obama did -- and I agree it would have better for him to remain quiet -- and what Trump has done and is doing. From the Breitbart link:
In 2015, President Obama told CBS news that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of an unsecured private email server for her official communications may have been a “mistake,” but added: “I don’t think it posed a national security problem.”...

The New York Times reported that FBI officials: “saw an instance of the president trying to influence the outcome of a continuing investigation — and not for the first time.” The officials recalled Obama’s comments in 2012 defending then-CIA director David Petraeus, who was under investigation for sharing classified information with a journalist with whom he was having an affair....

In 2013, a Navy judge ruled that President Obama had exerted “unlawful command influence” by harsh comments about the punishment he expected the military would mete out against those accused of sexual harassment. Obama had told a press conference in 2012: “If we find out somebody’s engaging in this, they’ve got to be held accountable — prosecuted, stripped of their positions, court martialed, fired, dishonorably discharged. Period.”
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There's another example, when Obama criticized Massachusetts police conduct when they arrested author and professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. for entering the house he lived in. I'm not quoting that one, it's enough.

Unlike with Trump, in none of the cases was Obama personally involved. He didn't face any potential consequences.

In Trump's case, the latest spat is over Stone's sentencing. Trump and his advisors may fear, and rightly so, that prosecutors may use the long prison sentence to get Stone to 'flip' on Trump. Stone might potentially have A LOT of damaging information to share. Huge difference.
 
"President Obama occasionally voiced opinions on law enforcement / prosecutor actions, which via the simple act of being President probably carried some unavoidable indirect influence."

"President Trump repentantly and routinely literally directly orders things to happen in law enforcement / prosecutor actions outside his scope as head of the Executive Branch."

Those are not the same sentence even though they are both true.
 
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The facts don't quite line up with the assertion the mainstream media didn't care what Obama did. From the previous Breitbart link:
The New York Times reported that FBI officials: “saw an instance of the president trying to influence the outcome of a continuing investigation — and not for the first time.”
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The "Times reported" this. As did, I would presume, most other mainstream media. It's so hard to have a realistic discussion with Trump's supporters. They make the assertion that the mainstream media gave Obama carte blanche to do whatever he wanted. The proof provided is a reference to a Times story reporting FBI officials were bothered by Obama interfering in ongoing investigations. I suppose it only makes sense if you've been swigging the Kool-Aid. ;)
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Obama has already escaped negative consequences because the corrupt mainstream media didn't care what he did.
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But surely just because someone got away with something doesn't mean you let everyone get away with it?

You agree that Trump like Obama has improperly interfered with trials and investigations so shouldn't you be pushing for Trump to face "negative consequences"?
 
The United States Senate has, with bipartisan support, passed (55-45) a resolution to limit President Trump's ability to use military force in Iran.

The White House has already announced it's intention to veto the bill.
 
Ladewig said:
No.

President Trump believes it was his unmatched genius, his indomitable charisma, and his original thinking (no one has ever used money as the only factor in international political decisions) that got him elected. I doubt he’ll be hiring high-paid campaign managers. Plus, if he has too many managers who don’t understand his campaigning style (funnel other people’s donations into Trump businesses) that could be a problem.

He can fly anywhere at a moment’s notice without paying a single cent. Hell, he’s so cheap he’s even willing to not pay bills from cities that provided security. He loves the rallies and his followers love the rallies. As long as the economy doesn’t tank, he is a shoo-in. People are speculating that the “shooting on Fifth Avenue” thing might not be a problem

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he likes to brag that he won on his first try. He doesn’t think it is that hard.
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Trump is having the time of his life. He's loving every minute of this.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Okay. I'm happy to say that Obama was just as wrong on this issue as Trump is, and neither should escape appropriate negative consequences for their actions.

Is that the response you were hoping for?
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Other than the black professor hassled on his own porch, I don't recall Obama weighing in on much else. Remind me.

NVMD, I see NYGuy's post above.
 
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Upchurch said:
The United States Senate has, with bipartisan support, passed (55-45) a resolution to limit President Trump's ability to use military force in Iran.
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Color me shocked. A crack in the wall?
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Maybe, but Senators must have realized that Trump would just veto it.

I'm suspecting any republican senators that supported it may be doing so as a ploy following Trump's recent vendetta and all of the uncomfortable questions they get asked by the media... "Ignore the fact that we acquitted Trump and he's gone on to corrupt the justice department... we voted against him in a bill that will just be vetoed, making it completely meaningless"
 
Nothing wrong with Trump's actions. We're going to be more like a Latin American country, but without all of the Latin Americans.
 
Segnosaur said:
Maybe, but Senators must have realized that Trump would just veto it.

I'm suspecting any republican senators that supported it may be doing so as a ploy following Trump's recent vendetta and all of the uncomfortable questions they get asked by the media... "Ignore the fact that we acquitted Trump and he's gone on to corrupt the justice department... we voted against him in a bill that will just be vetoed, making it completely meaningless"
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Ah, the brave stance of "Wasted Vote Patriotism". Voting to do the right thing as long as it is mathematically impossible for your vote to stop the wrong thing from happening...
 
Segnosaur said:
I wonder if that might cause trump problems in Utah. He did win the state in 2016, but with less than 50% of the vote. (Granted it was a 3 way split, with an independent candidate from Utah doing quite well, but it shows Utah voters are willing to deviate from the Republicans.

Could attacking the Mormon religion put Utah in play? Probably not, but nice to think about.

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Depends on who the Dems nominate.
 
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