Cont: Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness' say psychiatry experts at Yale... Pt 3

Skeptic Ginger said:
Dude, you are late to this party. No one supports that nonsense, even a certain person arguing the psychiatrists were unethical.



So that leaves one likely conclusion, purposeful trolling.
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Not really.

The quality of a diagnosis has little to do with ethics and more to do with the methodology one uses to arrive at it. There is no methodology in psychology/psychiatry for diagnosing people based on tweets, public appearances, etc. Therefore, the diagnosis can be rejected.

The ethics of the situation is simply that they shouldn’t be speculating about the mental state of a public figure they haven’t personally examined in the first place.

There are two prongs of my objection.
 
xjx388 said:
Not really.

The quality of a diagnosis has little to do with ethics and more to do with the methodology one uses to arrive at it. There is no methodology in psychology/psychiatry for diagnosing people based on tweets, public appearances, etc. Therefore, the diagnosis can be rejected.

The ethics of the situation is simply that they shouldn’t be speculating about the mental state of a public figure they haven’t personally examined in the first place.

There are two prongs of my objection.
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So now you're back to denying what we can all see with our own eyes?
 
There are people in this world who act, or would like to act, just like Trump in their daily lives. Those people really do think he is “normal” and will never recognize or understand how bizarre Trump is.
 
Steve said:
There are people in this world who act, or would like to act, just like Trump in their daily lives. Those people really do think he is “normal” and will never recognize or understand how bizarre Trump is.
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And, somehow not coincidentally, those people tend to defend Trump no matter what he does.
 
theprestige said:
Discussion was pretty much wrapped up in the first ten or so pages of the first part of this thread. At this point, people want to bump the thread anyway, and I don't mind playing along a bit. If you want to have more discussion, say something new. Or go find some thread with a conversation you want to have going on, and participate in it.
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What about his makeup issues?

It might seem small, but either he's doing it himself, or he's letting/instructing someone else to send him out looking like that, and he doesn't correct it when looking in the mirror.

It's another sign of his cogitative decline.
 
xjx388 said:
I’ll grant you that. It’s not “normal.”

But it also isn’t a sign of a “dangerous mental illness.”
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It's entirely consistent with him losing connection with reality and it warrants a proper medical examination.



Are you happy that someone with that behaviour is supposed to take high-level military decisions in a complex situation without any further check that he *is* actually still capable of command?

I've literally seen five* year-olds with better grasps of complex situations and appropriate behaviour.





*I initially said eight, then recalled some conversations with my kids and their friends in reception class.
 
jimbob said:
It's entirely consistent with him losing connection with reality and it warrants a proper medical examination.
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Exaggeration. He pretends to conduct the national anthem and he needs a medical exam? Get serious.







Are you happy that someone with that behaviour is supposed to take high-level military decisions in a complex situation without any further check that he *is* actually still capable of command?
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Happy? No. But I’m not also going to say that the silly little thing he did means he’s gonna launch nukes.
 
jimbob said:
Are you happy that someone with that behaviour is supposed to take high-level military decisions in a complex situation without any further check that he *is* actually still capable of command?
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Was he ever?
 
xjx388 said:
Exaggeration. He pretends to conduct the national anthem and he needs a medical exam? Get serious.







Happy? No. But I’m not also going to say that the silly little thing he did means he’s gonna launch nukes.
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You are missing the point. Alone, and out of context, any one might not be worrying. Together, they paint a picture.


Bizarre behaviour in the commander in chief is more concerning than in a random member of the public.
 
xjx388 said:
Exaggeration. He pretends to conduct the national anthem and he needs a medical exam? Get serious.







Happy? No. But I’m not also going to say that the silly little thing he did means he’s gonna launch nukes.
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I could give a pass to Billy Bob in the seed cap who downed a 6 pack in the parking lot before the game. This dude is the president of your country. All his predecessors were capable of the appropriate decorum. You give him a pass because he may not be completelyoff his rocker, but only acts like a drunk.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
He's the POTUS and he was unable to sit still during the anthem. At a minimum it is concerning.
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Is it possible he's actually a five-year-old with progeria? Because a lot of his behavior would be perfectly normal in a five-year-old. Admittedly one on the brattier end of the spectrum.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
He's the POTUS and he was unable to sit still during the anthem. At a minimum it is concerning.
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What exactly is concerning, from a “dangerous mental illness,” standpoint? That was such a minor thing that at a maximum, it shows a lack of respect for decorum. Not exactly “dangerous.”
 
Steve said:
I could give a pass to Billy Bob in the seed cap who downed a 6 pack in the parking lot before the game. This dude is the president of your country. All his predecessors were capable of the appropriate decorum. You give him a pass because he may not be completelyoff his rocker, but only acts like a drunk.
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I never said I gave him a pass. I merely said that it isn’t indicative of “dangerous mental illness.”
 
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