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Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 3

Lurch said:
Oh FFS. What Rand-ee-o is trying to do is lend a kind of 'legitimacy' to the name by official 'recognition.' Officials are not supposed to do that, but rather should engage in the fiction of not knowing. Because, like, that's what they're *required* to do regarding whistleblowers. Not make for a perfectly unambiguous target for any whacko to set his sights on.
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It depends on what the statute says. It's skeasy, but he might not be bound by the law.

I wonder what Roberts thinks of all this.

Lindsey Graham said it wouldn't be a fair trial if Trump didn't get to confront the whistleblower. So by his own lights, this wasn't a fair trial. Plus, of course, Graham had already announced he had no intention of being unbiased.
 
acbytesla said:
He is a decent honorable man. Mostly, that is. I think his religion is a major crock and I disagree with most of his policy positions, but I have never thought he was a bad guy.
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"I think the Republican nominee is unfit to serve as president...and he keeps on proving it. This isn't a situation where you have an episodic gaffe. This is daily and weekly where Republicans are distancing themselves from statements he is making. There has to be a point at which you say, this isn't somebody I can support to be president of the United States, even if he purports to be a member of my party. I recognize the Republicans profoundly disagree with myself and Hillary Clinton on tax policy or certain elements of foreign policy. But there have been Republican presidents with whom I disagreed with, but I didn't have a doubt they could function as president. I think I was right and Mitt Romney and John McCain were wrong on certain policy issues, but I never thought they couldn't do the job."

President Obama (bolding mine) during a speech in Singapore, Aug 2, 2016.

That's the key difference.
 
Belz... said:
Despite his combative Twitter persona, I'm not sure he has much taste for actual combat. I look at Trump and think, he won because he massively trolled the "libtards." When I look at Putin I see a guy who got where he is by killing all his enemies, possibly with his bare hands.
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...while riding a bear.
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...Shirtless.
 
"Дa, you want to mess with me?
I spit hot borscht when I'm crushing these beats.
Blow it up like a tuba, while I'm balling in Cuba,
Doing judo moves and schooling every communist сука.
I'm a president in my prime. My enemies don't distract me.
The last man who attacked me lived a half-life, so comrade, come at me!
You don't know what you're doing when you try to bust a rhyme against a mind like Putin!
You'll find that the ex-KGB is the best MC in the ex-CCCP!"

- Putin, rapping against Rasputin, Lenin, Stalin, and Gorbachev on "Epic Rap Battles of History"
 
JoeMorgue said:
Because right now Trump only has the motivation to go as far as it takes to "trigger the libtards." I don't want him to have motivation to go any further.
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Given the values of the left, triggering us has in a lot of cases meant inflicting real harm on already vulnerable people.
 
Bob001 said:
Bill Maher said after the 2016 election that "we" (liberals, progressives) should be sorry for trashing John McCain and Mitt Romney because they were decent, honorable men that we just disagreed with. That helped pave the way for D. Trump.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...e_were_wrong_fascist_trump_is_different.html#!
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Yeah, and should we try to be friends with Bush like Ellen?

John McCain was a warmonger and one of the Keating Five. I don't think he deserves a ton of credit for telling a racist white lady that Obama is not a Muslim. Democrats were swooning over him back when the "Straight-Talk Express" challenged Bush for the Republican nomination. He has principles, but so does John Bolton.

Mitt Romney's an opportunist, and phonier than Trump in some ways. He refused to release his tax returns. He was all too willing to bend the knee to be Secretary of State.

The problem with Trump is that he's uniquely vulgar, clueless, and corrupt, but what has he done in terms of policy? Like Bush, his incompetence is self-limiting. So far he's managed to avoid starting major wars. He's run-up the deficit, but that's standard operating procedure. He's been riding the anti-immigration wave (he didn't start it). As so often noted, Trump's a symptom. Any other Republican would have appointed the same judges and rolled back the same regulations. We wouldn't have gotten the anti-trade stuff with another Republican, but if Ted Cruz were president, people here would say Trump would've been better.
 
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Minoosh said:
Despite his combative Twitter persona, I'm not sure he has much taste for actual combat. I look at Trump and think, he won because he massively trolled the "libtards." When I look at Putin I see a guy who got where he is by killing all his enemies, possibly with his bare hands.
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Actually I think the only thing that's missing is the sophisticated KGB training and conditioning.

Trump is every bit the unflinching sociopath Vladimir Putin is. Trump is a scary individual but he could be even scarier.
 
It's been over an hour now and Trump hasn't tweeted a veiled threat to Romney, which means he's either been sedated or they hid his phone from him.
 
Venom said:
Actually I think the only thing that's missing is the sophisticated KGB training and conditioning.

Trump is every bit the unflinching sociopath Vladimir Putin is. Trump is a scary individual but he could be even scarier.
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Sociopaths can still be cowards.
 
Manchin and Sinema will vote to convict. Unless some has an absolute last minute change of heart we're gonna to get 52-48 to acquit, along party ranks minus Romney.

Official vote, via rollcall and voice vote, should start any minute.
 
JoeMorgue said:
It's been over an hour now and Trump hasn't tweeted a veiled threat to Romney, which means he's either been sedated or they hid his phone from him.
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That would be so boneheaded that even Trump might know it's stupid.

After the vote.
 
Bi-partisan support to convict the president.

That's what should be taken from this, and repeated as Trump attempts his victory lap.
 
Mike! said:
And on the second charge Romney voted 'Not Guilty'. Guess he wanted his cake and to eat it too.
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Yeah. I had a gut feeling that if we saw a difference in votes between "Abuse" and "Obstruction" it would be more likely (not like certain in any direction) that Obstruction would get the "guilty" votes.

I am surprised the Democrats got all 47 votes from them. I'd figure they're be one or two to break ranks.
 
Trump Tweets

I will be making a public statement tomorrow at 12:00pm from the @WhiteHouse to discuss our Country’s VICTORY on the Impeachment Hoax!
 
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