2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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theprestige said:
The caucuses are not the problem. The organizers screwed up, is all, and now they're trying to put the blame anywhere but where it belongs.

"Iowa! Iowa made this happen!"

"Caucuses! They never worked!"

"Russians! The Russians did it!"
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Andrew Yang found an even more predictable culprit:

It might be helpful to have a President and government that understand technology so this sort of thing doesn’t happen.
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Segnosaur said:
I hope they enjoy ruling over a united states that is financially bankrupt, suffering from the results of global warming, and has a supreme court that has just ruled abortion illegal by a 8-1 victory in the republican-stacked Supreme court.
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Abortion opponents dream about overturning Roe v. Wade. But suppose that happens. Will that mean that abortion is illegal?

No, no it will not. It will mean that individual states will decide whether abortion is legal within that state, and a LOT of states will keep it legal. There is no push to have abortion declared illegal by the judiciary, not even among abortion opponents. That's just not a thing.
 
theprestige said:
What an idiot.

The president and the government have nothing to do with organizing the Democratic caucus in Iowa.
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Trump was supposed to run the master app live from his iPhone but his tiny fingers couldn't manage the screen controls. He accidentally swiped the wrong direction and removed all those teeming myriads of votes for Yang! (He also swiped wrong on Buttgieg and accidentally made a date to Netflix and chill, but that's a problem for the weekend.)
 
I joined Twitter just last night to follow the Iowa Caucuses and I don't mean to sound like Travis but there were so many Bernie supporters blithely proclaiming that "The DNC" didn't like the results, that's why they were delaying the announcement. ??? How does that

It's hard to be an ISFer round these parts.
 
I doubt the DNC tried to block the results because of the Bernie blowout. But it's definitely an awkward coincidence. And I bet that somewhere on the DNC mail server right now, there's an email from a senior staffer bemoaning Biden's poor results and wishing there was something they could do about it.

Russia, if you're listening, the press would love to see that email.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Trump was supposed to run the master app live from his iPhone but his tiny fingers couldn't manage the screen controls. He accidentally swiped the wrong direction and removed all those teeming myriads of votes for Yang! (He also swiped wrong on Buttgieg and accidentally made a date to Netflix and chill, but that's a problem for the weekend.)
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One wonders what a President Yang would do, in 2024. Send FEC auditors to supervise the Democratic caucuses?

It's also ironic for a Democratic candidate to complain about government management of caucuses, in response to his own party's mismanagement of caucuses. Like, even if that is the problem, is he seriously offering the Democrats as a solution after what's happening in Iowa?
 
The one thing emerging clearly so far from the Iowa Primary is that some Iowa Democratic Party officials need to be fired for sheer incompetence.
 
Ziggurat said:
I hope they enjoy ruling over a united states that is financially bankrupt, suffering from the results of global warming, and has a supreme court that has just ruled abortion illegal by a 8-1 victory in the republican-stacked Supreme court.
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Abortion opponents dream about overturning Roe v. Wade. But suppose that happens. Will that mean that abortion is illegal?

No, no it will not. It will mean that individual states will decide whether abortion is legal within that state, and a LOT of states will keep it legal.
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It is wrong for the state to control a woman's body. That is true whether it happens in one state or in all 50 states.
There is no push to have abortion declared illegal by the judiciary, not even among abortion opponents. That's just not a thing.
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A majority of republican senators have signed a letter demanding Roe v. Wade be overturned. Of the latest 2 supreme court appointments, both have made rulings that suggest they might rule against access to abortion.

Even if we don't get a complete "abortion is illegal" law and/or ruling by the supreme court, the likely direction is a series of laws/rulings that keep abortion technically legal but impossible to get. (e.g. laws that set unnecessary requirements on clinics that provide abortion that ends up causing most of them to be closed down.)

Saying "abortion is legal, you just have to drive hundreds of miles to a clinic in another city, arrange to stay out of town for several days, and can only do so before you actually know you're pregnant" is the direction that the U.S. will be headed.

And that is why the Democrats have to win, to prevent any more supreme court nominations that will allow that to happen. And that is why the "Bernie or Bust" people deserve scorn, because they are willing to let that happen.

ETA: Forgot to add my references.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...publicans-abortion-amicus-brief-supreme-court (majority of republican senators support overturning Roe v. Wade)

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rue-colours-in-supreme-court-abortion-dissent (Kavanaugh's actions on abortion)

https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/20/poli...us-liberty-environment-gun-control/index.html (Gorsuch's actions on abortion)
 
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theprestige said:
The caucuses are not the problem. The organizers screwed up, is all, and now they're trying to put the blame anywhere but where it belongs.
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:confused:

Who are you referring to, exactly? Certainly isn't me. There's a number of arguments against caucuses being the best choice in the present day and age. This is just adding another, albeit what should be a less influential one.

theprestige said:
"Iowa! Iowa made this happen!"

"Caucuses! They never worked!"
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I've heard neither of these, for the record. I'm sure some idiots did in a fit of emotion, though.

theprestige said:
"Russians! The Russians did it!"
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And, given that you seem to be using this as a jab at the entirely justified outrage at Russia's illegal campaign which was supported by the Trump campaign to interfere with our election, this is idiotic.

Ziggurat said:
Abortion opponents dream about overturning Roe v. Wade. But suppose that happens. Will that mean that abortion is illegal?

No, no it will not. It will mean that individual states will decide whether abortion is legal within that state, and a LOT of states will keep it legal. There is no push to have abortion declared illegal by the judiciary, not even among abortion opponents. That's just not a thing.
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There is, however, plenty of push by anti-choice folks to make all abortion illegal, as a general matter, and they don't really care about the specific method or the harm that they're doing the process.
 
Segnosaur said:
It is wrong for the state to control a woman's body. That is true whether it happens in one state or in all 50 states.

A majority of republican senators have signed a letter demanding Roe v. Wade be overturned. Of the latest 2 supreme court appointments, both have made rulings that suggest they might rule against access to abortion.

Even if we don't get a complete "abortion is illegal" law and/or ruling by the supreme court, the likely direction is a series of laws/rulings that keep abortion technically legal but impossible to get. (e.g. laws that set unnecessary requirements on clinics that provide abortion that ends up causing most of them to be closed down.)

Saying "abortion is legal, you just have to drive hundreds of miles to a clinic in another city, arrange to stay out of town for several days, and can only do so before you actually know you're pregnant" is the direction that the U.S. will be headed.

And that is why the Democrats have to win, to prevent any more supreme court nominations that will allow that to happen. And that is why the "Bernie or Bust" people deserve scorn, because they are willing to let that happen.

ETA: Forgot to add my references.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...publicans-abortion-amicus-brief-supreme-court (majority of republican senators support overturning Roe v. Wade)

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rue-colours-in-supreme-court-abortion-dissent (Kavanaugh's actions on abortion)

https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/20/poli...us-liberty-environment-gun-control/index.html (Gorsuch's actions on abortion)
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Bloomberg gave 12 million dollars to reelect, in a narrow win, a Republican Senator who voted to confirm Kavanaugh. A lifetime of a more conservative SCOTUS undercutting, if not outright repealing, good law because of this appointment.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Bloomberg gave 12 million dollars to reelect, in a narrow win, a Republican Senator who voted to confirm Kavanaugh. A lifetime of a more conservative SCOTUS undercutting, if not outright repealing, good law because of this appointment.
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Yes, Bloomberg may have some things to atone for. (I'm assuming your claim is accurate... I haven't been able to find particular information on whom Bloomberg supported in the past, but being a former Republican its certainly possible for him to have donated to Republican congress-critters.) Its all the more surprising, given various pro-choice comments he's made in the past.

Since the confirmation, has he ever gone on to express regret for giving such support? Or claimed that the republican he supported somehow changed his stance since he was elected?

Either way, I hope that he doesn't win the nomination. But, given the way he's going after Trump, I am rather glad he's around right now. (In the ideal world, he sticks around for another month, drops out, but continues his attacks on Trump.)
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Most results of the Iowa Caucus supposed to be released by 5 pm today.
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I don't like that "most" modifier given how close some of these races were expected to be.

A few days of multiple people claiming they won Iowa while the Iowanian (that needs to be a word) DNC gets it's waterfowls in a linear orientation would help nobody.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Way to gain credibility, guys.
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Can I just say, did you know the GOP Iowa caucuses in 2012 announced Romney the winner then days later had to retract that and call Santorum the winner?

So to your post I say, BFD.
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Yeah republicans screwed up before. I think people were hoping for better from the Democrats. Plus, I think (given the BernieBro "We was robbed" rhetoric) there is probably more of an emphasis on getting things right. I don't think the Republicans had that type of pressure back in 2012.
 
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