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Mojo said:
Because there are unified standards that are supposed to be enforced across the EU. If those standards are no longer being enforced by the UK, the. They will need to be enforced by the EU at point of entry.
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You don't actually understand how CE mark standards are enforced, do you?
 
GlennB said:
The Withdrawal Agreement is not a 'deal'. Perhaps this is at the root of your misunderstanding?

Recent spoutings by Johnson strongly suggest he's hell-bent on 'no deal' in Dec this year.
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In which case you would still end up with CE markings recognized by the UK until any future legislation changed that.
 
Mojo said:
Because there are unified standards that are supposed to be enforced across the EU. If those standards are no longer being enforced by the UK, the. They will need to be enforced by the EU at point of entry.
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I get to post this again. It's an explanation by Leave HQ (not the official leave campaign) about why WTO is a bad idea and a fairly concise explanation of tarrifs, standards etc. http://leavehq.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=128

LeaveHQ said:
Potential exporters not only have to ensure their goods conform, they must provide evidence of their so doing. This requires putting the goods through a recognised system of what is known as "conformity assessment".


We are at this point entering serious nerd territory. If your eyes are beginning to glaze over, all we can say is welcome to the world as it really is. It has taken years of mind-numbing, tedious study to understand this amount of detail, and either you know it, or you don't.
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But the moment we leave the EU, this stops. Your component manufacturer may still comply with exactly the same standards, but if the product requires independent testing , any testing houses and the regulatory agencies are no longer recognised. The consignment has no valid paperwork. And, without it, it must be subject to border checks, visual inspection and physical testing.


What that means in practice is that the customs inspector detains your shipment and takes samples to send to an approved testing house (one for the inspector, one for the office pool, one for the stevedores and one for the lab is often the case). Your container inspection is typically about £700 and detention costs about £80 a day for the ten days or so it will take to get your results back. Add the testing fee and you’re paying an extra £2,000 to deliver a container into the EU.
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Lothian said:
A Canada style deal would mean abandoning N Ireland or reinstatement of the hard border.
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Just about any deal with anyone would require customs checks either at the Irish border or at the North Sea. Customs checks are requirement for regulatory checks and Country of Origin enforcement which are sure to be part of ant trade deal.

ceptimus said:
What reasons, other than 'because we say so', does the EU give for wanting an alignment treaty for the UK to have a Canada-style deal, when the actual deal with Canada is subject to no such treaty?
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It’s only required if you want to eliminate customs checks and other borders issues. In many cases customs checks make it difficult to impossible for UK companies to remain part of integrated supply chains. In these cases, UK suppliers will likely need to either shut down or move their operations and jobs to the EU.
 
Wudang said:
I get to post this again. It's an explanation by Leave HQ (not the official leave campaign) about why WTO is a bad idea and a fairly concise explanation of tarrifs, standards etc. http://leavehq.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=128
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Don't forget the EORI and the TSP :

Businesses that have not previously carried out Brexit planning may also want to take the time to review these top 5 checks:

Make sure that you have an EORI number as, without it, you will not be able to trade goods with any country outside the UK – if you attempt to import goods into the UK without an EORI number your customs entry may be rejected by HMRC and your goods will not be allowed into the UK.
Make sure that your teams understand how to move goods to and from the EU after Brexit and how the various rules apply to your particular goods – NB. There are special procedures for some types of controlled goods
Consider applying for the Transitional Simplified Procedure (TSP), as this will make moving goods easier and provide a cash flow advantage on any duty payable – it is also important to familiarise your team with how to operate TSP before Brexit.
Check whether your exports/imports are liable to duty – note that the UK has announced a unilateral temporary tariff for goods coming into the UK, but not all duties have been suspended. Goods moving from the UK to other member states will fall under the standard EU tariff. If you are obliged to pay duty then make sure that you are able to do so and have access to a deferment account (yours or your freight forwarders).
Trace your supply chain and consider whether there are any possible VAT/Duty implications following Brexit. For example does it lead to an overseas VAT registration requirement, will you lose an EU VAT simplification or will you end up paying customs duty twice?
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https://www.bdo.co.uk/en-gb/insight...bers-an-essential-part-of-your-brexit-toolkit


Simples.
 
Ziggurat said:
In which case you would still end up with CE markings recognized by the UK until any future legislation changed that.
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How exactly is that going to work? Are suggesting you the EU employ psychics at border crossings to tell them which shipments contain products which no longer meet EU standards? If they don’t inspect and regulate everything, how can the EU possibly know which ones are “the same as before”?

It makes far more sense for the EU to simply use the same process it does for every other non-EU country and validate the product meets EU regulatory requirements at the time of entry.
 
Ziggurat said:
The country of origin isn't what assures or doesn't assure compliance with any set of standards.
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What does that have to do with anything I said? CoO rules are an issue for any trade agreement regardless of product standards. I certainly never said one depended on the other
Ziggurat said:
That's precisely my point, it's NOT an exception. What you're proposing IS an exception.
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Wait, what? Treating imports from the UK the differently than how imports from other non-EU countries isn’t an exception but treating imports from the UK the same way imports from every other non-EU county are treaded is? How on earth does that work?
 
Ziggurat said:
And it addresses a no-deal brexit. Which isn't what happened.
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There is no deal in place that would change anything in the document past the transition period.
Ziggurat said:
First, once again, CE labels never have to be replaced. I can find CE labels on a bunch of stuff here in the US, even though it's meaningless here. The CE label can stay.
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In many cases it would be fraudulent for UK companies to continue putting a CE sticker on their products because doing so requires a notified body be involved in product assessment. Since only EU members can designate a notified body, many of the notified bodies used by UK companies no longer apply so they would need to redo their product assessment with a notified body that does.
 
Ziggurat said:
In which case you would still end up with CE markings recognized by the UK until any future legislation changed that.
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Can we go back a step? Are you under the impression that the EU and UK have 'a deal' that extends beyond the transition period? We haven't, so a 'no deal exit' is still very possible, even likely.
 
For those of you on the ground in Great Britain, is Brexit really regularly discussed and cared about much at all by the great unwashed (joking metaphor for the common man/woman) ((joking-joking meta-metaphor for your average neighbour)), and do most people genuinely care much either way, and are aware of what is happening, or does what we read in the press at a different level than what is really happening with Joe Public on the street in a normal suburban/ country area?

Are we in the Colonies reading extreme ends of a Bell Curve rather than the middle?

Norm
 
There are an awful lot of people who simply don't care (the "just get it over with" crowd), and don't realise the implications.

Most if not all of them probably think it's been done and dusted as of Friday evening.
 
It's interesting that the government is in the process of re-branding "no deal" as "Australian Deal".

I also note that talks of not allowing chlorinated chicken into the UK food chain has now been replaced by vague references to not reducing food standards and relying on scientific principles - which coincidentally is exactly the wording that the US trade negotiators have been using.

Expect a fire-sale deal with the US this year with all that means in terms of drops in food standards (with resulting difficulties in exporting food to our current biggest market, the EU) and increased US access to lucrative parts of the UK economy and restrictions on the NHS being able to negotiate on drug prices.
 
fromdownunder said:
For those of you on the ground in Great Britain, is Brexit really regularly discussed and cared about much at all by the great unwashed (joking metaphor for the common man/woman) ((joking-joking meta-metaphor for your average neighbour)), and do most people genuinely care much either way, and are aware of what is happening, or does what we read in the press at a different level than what is really happening with Joe Public on the street in a normal suburban/ country area?

Are we in the Colonies reading extreme ends of a Bell Curve rather than the middle?

Norm
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One way to judge how important Brexit is to the average Brit is to look at how often it's mentioned in pantomime. The pantomime I was part of at the end of January had around a dozen (mostly negative) Brexit references and one reference to what a useless Prime Minister we have at the moment. In this, quite affluent corner of South East Wales, people care about Brexit quite a bit.

Captain Swoop often refers to pro-Brexit pub conversations in his local in the North East of England. We have fewer here but they also tend to be pro-Brexit (and IMO woefully misinformed, but that's probably my bias showing). Certainly the local farmers are looking forward to generous post-Brexit subsidies and higher prices for their produce. I suspect that they my be very disappointed if the UK agrees a trade deal with the US in which the US largely prohibits UK farming subsidies while flooding the UK market with its own highly subsidised farm produce.
 
The only way UK farmers could prosper after a deal with US is if they get the same level of subsidies as US farmers. Perhaps from the governments magic money tree?
 
Sheep Farmers up over the N Yorks Moors and Dales aren't happy about Brexit at all.
 
Ulf Nereng said:
The only way UK farmers could prosper after a deal with US is if they get the same level of subsidies as US farmers. Perhaps from the governments magic money tree?
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Even then there are economies of scale that come from US farming due to the sheer size of US farms, access to inexpensive (often illegal) labour and the highly industrialised approach to raising livestock (some elements of which are prohibited under EU law) which means that even with equivalent subsidies, UK farmers would be operating at a significant disadvantage.

Of course the US wouldn't want the UK to be allowed to subsidise UK farmers in the same way that US farmers are. It's a common theme of US trade deals and WTO complaints that whilst the US should be allowed to subsidise - directly or indirectly, subsidy by foreign countries should be forbidden.
 
In an interview today on Sky News Chief Secretary to the Treasury Rishi Sunak says We don't need a trade deal with the EU.

Apparently trade is only "one part" of what will drive the UK's economy in the coming years and a trade agreement with the EU isn't essential.

He muttered something about "Investment infrastructure" being more important and something about "Austalia" style trade deals.

Australia doesn't have a trade deal with the EU or the UK
 
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