2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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dudalb said:
I am beginning to wonder if what happened in 1972 is not repeating itself where the GOP managed to damage the more viable Democratic candidates and ended up helping the nomination of a candidate who had no chance in November.
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That was Hillary’s plan in 2016. Didn’t work out as expected.
 
angrysoba said:
They are still voters. It is foolish to expect to educate them, so they will take their low information to the ballot box. Candidates need to remember that instead of meaning something that the voters don't understand. ...
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I don't expect to educate any low information voters out there.

I am though, trying to point out to some voters and posters in this thread who should not be low information voters that they've posted low-information-voter stereotypical statements.

I just want them to take a second look at their assumptions not supported by the evidence.
 
Cabbage said:
Put all of the quotes together and yes, he has.
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Quotes aren't mathematics. You can't add quotes that don't say what you want and then claim that they collectively do.

Admit it: your claim is based on interpreting dudalb's posts; reading between the lines i.e. adding information that isn't there. Now, you might be right that he thinks that, but you cannot show that he said it, because he didn't.

I don't understand why, when the subject is x and you bring up y, you think me pointing out that y is irrelevant qualifies as a "challenge to a duel".
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It's your reaction. Instead of just answering the question, as another poster did, you took it as some sort of an argument. It wasn't.
 
dudalb said:
Is there anybody who could reunite the country at this point?

Biden' can't, and Bernie would divide it worse then ever, and not to confident about any of the other dem candidates be able to do that.
I am pessimistic. I am taking the relection of TRump as a given, and catastrophe to follow. I think the US people will just have to learn the Hard Way.
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Yes, because running on justice and a fair system for ordinary Americans is divisive. Not because billionaire-run and backed media outlets will be running dumb socialist scare campaigns. Comes after the Bernie is unelectable ******** and the realisation that another centrist who maintains a system that benefits the uber wealthy is not what people want.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I don't expect to educate any low information voters out there.

I am though, trying to point out to some voters and posters in this thread who should not be low information voters that they've posted low-information-voter stereotypical statements.
I just want them to take a second look at their assumptions not supported by the evidence.
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I'm not sure who has said that. You could be right, though.

That said, the point is that making it a campaign issue is electoral suicide.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Yes, because running on justice and a fair system for ordinary Americans is divisive. Not because billionaire-run and backed media outlets will be running dumb socialist scare campaigns. Comes after the Bernie is unelectable ******** and the realisation that another centrist who maintains a system that benefits the uber wealthy is not what people want.
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Americans want change, yes, but I don't think they want to turn into a Euro style Social Democratic state overnight.

I see Bernie just said he wants what amounts to a federal takeover of the power industry. That is the knd of thing that scares a lot of people who don't like Trump.

ANyway, your hatred of centrist and moderates is noted.

And I suspect you don't really like private business very much anyway.
 
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dudalb said:
I am beginning to wonder if what happened in 1972 is not repeating itself where the GOP managed to damage the more viable Democratic candidates and ended up helping the nomination of a candidate who had no chance in November.
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I was a bit out of touch in 1972, having been drafted and sent to South Korea to serve my country. News was scarce. I voted for Nixon. Because McGovern was a loon.
 
Belz... said:
Withdrew his candidacy due to school plagiarism.

Can you imagine that today?
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The media totally flubbed that story when it broke, and apparently never got it.

It was all over the media. Plagiarism, plagiarism, plagiarism.


If you're a journalist, plagiarism probably seemed like a big deal, and they reported that that was the issue. In truth, no one cared then, and no one cares now.


However, one of the speeches Biden plagiarized was a speech by a Briton by the name of Neil Kinnock. In that speech, Kinnock talked about his ancestors who were coal miners. Biden used the same lines, nearly verbatim,

except, Biden's ancestors weren't coal miners.

That, the fact that he plagiarized ancestors, was what creeped people out about Biden. The fact that he didn't give credit to the original writer of the speech is something that only a reporter would care about.

I think it was sufficiently creepy that it will hurt him this time around as well, but I would still vote for him.

I wish that one of his Democratic rivals would bring it up, just to see if it's still an issue that will linger.
 
Trebuchet said:
I was a bit out of touch in 1972, having been drafted and sent to South Korea to serve my country. News was scarce. I voted for Nixon. Because McGovern was a loon.
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The GOP played games in the Dem Primaries to discredit the more electable candidates. I suggest the GOP might be doing the same thing.
 
dudalb said:
I think most American are not nearly as far to the left as you are, pal.


They want change, yes, but I don't think they want to turn into a Euro style Social Democratic state overnight.

I see Bernie just said he wants what amounts to a federal takeover of the power industry. That is the knd of thing that scares a lot of people who don't like Trump.

ANyway, your hatred of centrist and moderates is noted.
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Hatred of a system that benefits the one percent who feed these kinds of narratives through the media corporations they own. A passion for a fairer world where workers get a fair slice of the pie and the end to obscene paychecks and bonuses to those who benefit from their sweat. A world where quality healthcare and life sustaining drugs are a right. A world where kids get fed and educated equally well.

The system is rigged and its time something was done.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Hatred of a system that benefits the one percent who feed these kinds of narratives through the media corporations they own. A passion for a fairer world where workers get a fair slice of the pie and the end to obscene paychecks and bonuses to those who benefit from their sweat. A world where quality healthcare and life sustaining drugs are a right. A world where kids get fed and educated equally well.

The system is rigged and its time something was done.
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Voting Democrat isn't doing something, though. It's just giving the keys to the system to a different faction. A faction produced by the system. A faction that is sheltered and nurtured by the system.

You know why Obama got elected? He promised Change. You know why Trump got elected? Because Obama didn't deliver.
 
theprestige said:
You know why Obama got elected? He promised Change. You know why Trump got elected? Because Obama didn't deliver.
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That doesn't work for me. Obama got re-elected, after all. And he could have won a third term, probably, if he was eligible. Clinton wasn't that convincing as an Obama surrogate given that she had battled with him in the previous election.
 
Meadmaker said:
The media totally flubbed that story when it broke, and apparently never got it.

It was all over the media. Plagiarism, plagiarism, plagiarism.


If you're a journalist, plagiarism probably seemed like a big deal, and they reported that that was the issue. In truth, no one cared then, and no one cares now.


However, one of the speeches Biden plagiarized was a speech by a Briton by the name of Neil Kinnock. In that speech, Kinnock talked about his ancestors who were coal miners. Biden used the same lines, nearly verbatim,

except, Biden's ancestors weren't coal miners.

That, the fact that he plagiarized ancestors, was what creeped people out about Biden. The fact that he didn't give credit to the original writer of the speech is something that only a reporter would care about.

I think it was sufficiently creepy that it will hurt him this time around as well, but I would still vote for him.

I wish that one of his Democratic rivals would bring it up, just to see if it's still an issue that will linger.
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I think it's a good demonstration of Biden's character: he's a fake, who will say anything to try to look appealing to the public. And it wasn't just the one incident, either, he's been caught plagiarizing multiple times. He kept on doing it, too, which again speaks to his character: he either doesn't learn from his mistakes or he simply thinks he can get away with them. How many other scruples does he lack? We've already got a president without shame, the prospect of another one doesn't appeal to me.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Hatred of a system that benefits the one percent who feed these kinds of narratives through the media corporations they own. A passion for a fairer world where workers get a fair slice of the pie and the end to obscene paychecks and bonuses to those who benefit from their sweat. A world where quality healthcare and life sustaining drugs are a right. A world where kids get fed and educated equally well.

The system is rigged and its time something was done.
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Thanks for just confirming my opinion you just don't like and kind of private enterprise. You seem to want total state control of everything.

I think you are probably more radical then Bernie. Your spouting of the Marx surprise value crap shows that.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I think it's a good demonstration of Biden's character: he's a fake, who will say anything to try to look appealing to the public. And it wasn't just the one incident, either, he's been caught plagiarizing multiple times. He kept on doing it, too, which again speaks to his character: he either doesn't learn from his mistakes or he simply thinks he can get away with them. How many other scruples does he lack? We've already got a president without shame, the prospect of another one doesn't appeal to me.
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The worst thing about the plagiarism/fake ancestry story is that it won't play as well among Democrats as it will among the general population. In other words, it probably won't stop him from getting the nomination, but it might hurt his chances to beat Trump.


Which is ironic, given Trump and all, but voters are weird.
 
angrysoba said:
I'm not sure who has said that. You could be right, though.

That said, the point is that making it a campaign issue is electoral suicide.
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The main claim that set me off was claiming Steyer was the opposite of what he is:

Lumping him in with the corporate mess he's been working against for a decade because he's a billionaire

Assuming the article about foreclosure on car loans and the high interest mentioned was indicative of what the bank was about when that was not true​

The interest rate was disturbing. That needs to be investigated. But it doesn't mean Steyer isn't what he says he is: against corporate influence in government.
 
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