2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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TragicMonkey said:
And your fear infests your every post and makes talking to you uphill work.
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Oh please. I'm no more "one note" then anyone else here just because my viewpoint of the situation is different and less common.

If I have to listen to a half dozen people making the same point over and over, you can survive hearing one person make the same point over and over.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Oh please. I'm no more "one note" then anyone else here just because my viewpoint of the situation is different and less common.

If I have to listen to a half dozen people making the same point over and over, you can survive hearing one person make the same point over and over.
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May the blessed light of St Warren cleanse your soul of unhappiness and bring unto you reasonable taxation of capital gains.
 
JoeMorgue said:
You know... and this, believe it or not, is 100% honest.

I'm at the end of my rope here in being branding the on call "pessimist" in political threads.

I'm not "thinking the Democrats will lose." I'm scared that the Democrats will lose because every single factor that lead to Trump winning in 2016 is still there yet their response to everything is "Keep doing the same but more so."

Trump was a reaction to whitebread flyover American being talked into the idea that the evil liberal socialist takeover of America was gonna happen any day. Maybe, just maybe, adjust for that.
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We're all pulling for Comrade Bernie to get the nomination, even though 2 of his staffers have been caught on tape planning to put us in gulags. They have other plans, too.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com...e-rich-put-republicans-in-re-education-camps/
 
What kind of person keeps their child sex dungeon in a pizza parlor basement, I mean honestly?

Hillary was... fine. Okay. She's everything people complain Biden is now, a milquetoast safe choice goober, with the whole hype about "The first woman President" sprinkled on top. Hillary Clinton was Kate McKinnon playing Joe Biden in an SNL Sketch.

They were trying to make the Barack Obama "Here's your chance to be part of the story that's finally going to win Will Smith an Oscar in... about 2040 or so" lightning strike twice just swapping out "First Black President" with "First Woman President" and misjudged it.
 
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TragicMonkey said:
True, but if there were an unusually large turnout at the primaries it might be taken as an indicator of voter interest and increased total voter turnout in the election.

The people who can vote but don't could sway an election in either direction if they actually voted.
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Then the next question to ask would be, "does the data support the proposition that primary turnout correlates with general election results?"
 
Distracted1 said:
A good point.

A candidate with a 100% score from the NRA might find themselves doing great in a hypothetical Republican primary race, only to find the same bit of information harms them in the general election.

I don't understand how so many of my fellow Dems fail to get that principle.
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Belz... said:
No, it's also relevant if more Republican voters cast a vote than Democrats.
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That's why I asked that if one intends to make such assertions regarding Sanders and the general election that they should provide evidence.

I had a longer post that was eaten by the void but it's easy enough for people to look for themselves at general election matchup polling for Trump vs Biden and Trump vs Sanders. You can even look at those matchups for individual states such as those which effectively won Trump the election in 2016, Wisconsin, Michigan, and a Pennsylvania.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/

Is Biden currently still the best odds to beat Trump? Yes he is. Is Sanders currently still beating Trump both in general election and those states polling? Yes he is, and he's not too much lower than Biden.

Is the sky is falling attitude from the democratic establishment regarding a Sanders nomination silly? Yes it is.
 
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The_Animus said:
That's why I asked that if one intends to make such assertions regarding Sanders and the general election that they should provide evidence.
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Oh I'm sorry when did you get burden of proof privileges?

I can prove Sanders will work exactly as equally as you can prove he can.

But no "We have to elect the mostest leftest candidate evar or we'll scare away the Progressives" can be said without backing it up as if it's self evidence.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Oh I'm sorry when did you get burden of proof privileges?

I can prove Sanders will work exactly as equally as you can prove he can.

But no "We have to elect the mostest leftest candidate evar or we'll scare away the Progressives" can be said without backing it up as if it's self evidence.
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Current polling is my proof. My apologies for assuming you're not living under a rock. Now that I provided my evidence, where is yours?

And is that what I said? Seriously. Take a vacation
 
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The_Animus said:
Is that what I said? Seriously. Take a vacation
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No.

Prove to me that Sanders will do better then Biden in the general election to the exact same standards using equally valid datasource as you expect me to prove the alternative.

There is no default here that gets to make the "Burden of Proof" argument and rest on its laurels.
 
The_Animus said:
That's why I asked that if one intends to make such assertions regarding Sanders and the general election that they should provide evidence.

I had a longer post that was eaten by the void but it's easy enough for people to look for themselves at general election matchup polling for Trump vs Biden and Trump vs Sanders. You can even look at those matchups for individual states such as those which effectively won Trump the election in 2016, Wisconsin, Michigan, and a Pennsylvania.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/

Is Biden currently still the best odds to beat Trump? Yes he is. Is Sanders currently still beating Trump both in general election and those states polling? Yes he is, and he's not too much lower than Biden.

Is the sky is falling attitude from the democratic establishment regarding a Sanders nomination silly? Yes it is.
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It's very telling that these complaints about Sanders' "electability" don't apply to Pete or Klobuchar, who both poll poorly against Trump. Pete is basically a coin flip, and Klobuchar is barely a couple points better than that.

No attack ads from centrists on those two, and pundits regularly championed both as good candidates.
 
The_Animus said:
Current polling is my proof.
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"Sanders is more popular with Democrats" is not proof of anything.

And Sanders just inched ahead of Biden in the last week or so. He's been second or even third since they started polling. Funny how the polls don't matter until the brief moment when your guy is in the lead.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
It's very telling that these complaints about Sanders' "electability" don't apply to Pete or Klobuchar, who both poll poorly against Trump. Pete is basically a coin flip, and Klobuchar is barely a couple points better than that.

No attack ads from centrists on those two, and pundits regularly championed both as good candidates.
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Perhaps nobody attacks them because they're not perceived as serious threats.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
It's very telling that these complaints about Sanders' "electability" don't apply to Pete or Klobuchar, who both poll poorly against Trump. Pete is basically a coin flip, and Klobuchar is barely a couple points better than that.
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Because I've yet to meet a Pete or Klobuchar supporter, much less a fervent one.

It's really down to Biden, Warren (maybe since she seems to have oddly cooled way off recently), and Sanders.
 
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