2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

[TragicMonkey]

Of course, you are correct. I'm just pointing out that it's not as simple as some seem to be implying, which I gather is Joe's point.

I wish it were simple! Right click the candidate's portrait to view their stats. "Electability: 50. Hmm, maybe boost that with better gear. Oooh, Helm of Green New Deal raises Electability by 40 points! Add a M4A enchant...and she's ready for the Election Raid!"

Then half the PUG doesn't show up and the raid wipes at the Apathy boss.

 

[The_Animus]

Perfect. Flawless plan. No downside what so ever.

Oh I assume the "Only Democrats will be voting in the general election in November" plan is already in it's final steps.

Do you have evidence that this is somehow relevant only to a Sanders nomination or are you just flailing to flail?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Do you have evidence that this is somehow relevant only to a Sanders nomination or are you just flailing to flail?

Again, for the like the 3rd time.

"Lookit how popular Sanders is among Democrats" is a poor argument to his overall electibility in the general election, in fact I you could make a fair argument it's a detriment.

 

[The_Animus]

No it's not. He's reminding Animus that popularity within the party is not popularity in the general. It's not a strawman; it's Joe's own point!

It's a point that is only relevant if Sanders performs significantly worse with likely independent voters than the other top tier democratic candidates.

 

[The_Animus]

Again, for the like the 3rd time.

"Lookit how popular Sanders is among Democrats" is a poor argument to his overall electibility in the general election, in fact I you could make a fair argument it's a detriment.

Flail on

 

[Distracted1]

Again, for the like the 3rd time.

"Lookit how popular Sanders is among Democrats" is a poor argument to his overall electibility in the general election, in fact I you could make a fair argument it's a detriment.

A good point.

A candidate with a 100% score from the NRA might find themselves doing great in a hypothetical Republican primary race, only to find the same bit of information harms them in the general election.

I don't understand how so many of my fellow Dems fail to get that principle.

 

[Cabbage]

You're being far too literal. Agree or not, his point is clear as clear can be.

See my sig.

It's not being far too literal when the exact same absurd complaint can be nonsensically applied to every candidate in all of history.

Bring a legitimate complaint or get out.

 

[Belz...]

It's a point that is only relevant if Sanders performs significantly worse with likely independent voters than the other top tier democratic candidates.

No, it's also relevant if more Republican voters cast a vote than Democrats.

 

[JoeMorgue]

A good point.

A candidate with a 100% score from the NRA might find themselves doing great in a hypothetical Republican primary race, only to find the same bit of information harms
them in the general election.

I don't understand how so many of my fellow Dems fail to get that principle.

Join me in flailing on as a sourpuss then.

If you give your kid icecream and spinach for dinner and he eats the icecream but leaves the spinach the obvious solution is to give him double servings of spinach and no icecream next time.

 

[Distracted1]

Join me in flailing on as a sourpuss then.

If you give your kid icecream and spinach for dinner and he eats the icecream but leaves the spinach the obvious solution is to give him double servings of spinach and no icecream next time.

When I flail, I just call it dancing.

 

[Cabbage]

I think you're missing the point, otherwise you wouldn't have posted this.

I repeat the point: trying to gauge de chances of success of a candidate in the general based on his popularity in the primaries may be a fallacy.

And my point: Pointing out he's popular in the progressive wing in the Democratic party does not mean he will lose the general.

It's absurd that I have to point that out, but so many people keep making that same mistake.

 

[Belz...]

And my point: Pointing out he's popular in the progressive wing in the Democratic party does not mean he will lose the general.

It's absurd that I have to point that out, but so many people keep making that same mistake.

Like who?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Like who?

*Whispers* Spoiler alert, he's gonna say me.

 

[Distracted1]

Like who?

It is not an unreasonable inference from arguments I am making.

Although it goes too far to state that I believe it impossible for the most progressive of the candidates to win the general election; I find them, instead, to be a far riskier choices than ones less likely to spark conservative panic.

 

[Venom]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/02/john-kerry-bernie-sanders-nbc-news-report

It's amusing to watch the corporate establishment wing of the democratic party pulling a chicken little regarding Sanders. Universal healthcare, tuition free college, a higher minimum wage, stopping the constant wars - He'll bring the sky down upon our heads so he must be stopped!

Fortunately it seems the democratic base isn't buying it.

Kerry said he isn't running and was misrepresented here.

He's backing Biden fully.

 

[Cabbage]

Like who?

I had dudalb in mind specifically for one example.

Sorry to disappoint you, Joe: Your mistake is in thinking that any Democrat will lose. You're so pessimistic.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Sorry to disappoint you, Joe: Your mistake is in thinking that any Democrat will lose. You're so pessimistic.

You know... and this, believe it or not, is 100% honest.

I'm at the end of my rope here in being branding the on call "pessimist" in political threads.

I'm not "thinking the Democrats will lose." I'm scared that the Democrats will lose because every single factor that lead to Trump winning in 2016 is still there yet their response to everything is "Keep doing the same but more so."

Trump was a reaction to whitebread flyover American being talked into the idea that the evil liberal socialist takeover of America was gonna happen any day. Maybe, just maybe, adjust for that.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Kerry said he isn't running and was misrepresented here.

He's backing Biden fully.

Mediocrity clumps together! Like cat crap in brand-name litter.

 

[Belz...]

I had dudalb in mind specifically for one example.

I don't remember him saying anything like that. I suppose it'd be pointless to ask you to quote him?

Let me save you some time: if you think "progressive candidates do more poorly in the general" is saying "if a candidate does well with progressive voters he will lose", then the issue isn't with dudalb.

 

[TragicMonkey]

You know... and this, believe it or not, is 100% honest.

I'm at the end of my rope here in being branding the on call "pessimist" in political threads.

I'm not "thinking the Democrats will lose." I'm scared that the Democrats will lose because every single factor that lead to Trump winning in 2016 is still there yet their response to everything is "Keep doing the same but more so."

And your fear infests your every post and makes talking to you uphill work. Try for some faith! As an exercise try sitting on the floor, lotus position, breathing deeply, and repeating the mantra "Elizabeth Warren is She-Ra and will smite the wicked and fix healthcare". You can substitute Bernie Sanders if you like but he's at best Glimmer.