Mick Jagger the Child Rapist

JoeMorgue said:
I gotta say man "You see we're enlightened enough to not get angry when someone tries to bang our 15 year old daughter" is certainly the most eyebrow raising version of "You see here in the glorious utopia of Sweden we're better then American because..." I've yet seen.
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It's certainly better than the "if someone tries to date my daughter, i'll kill them!" response that seems to be the socially acceptable attitude in America.
 
Arcade22 said:
It's certainly better than the "if someone tries to date my daughter, i'll kill them!" response that seems to be the socially acceptable attitude in America.
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The socially acceptable American stance is "she's fifteen, wait a couple of years".
 
TragicMonkey said:
Again, just because something may be legal doesn't mean it's not sleazy. I'm fairly confident the mainstream of America frowns upon marriage at 15.
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That was also my point.

America has some... let me be charitable and call it outmoded idea concerning sex/romance/marriage at an early age.

I'm just not holding it up as an argument for our cultural superiority.
 
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TragicMonkey said:
That song's been playing in my head this whole thread. Pisses me off that it's a lovely song music-wise, but so damn creepy meaning-wise.
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How about it? I watched a bit of the video, and it got like 85 times creepier. I somehow pictured the singer as being 18 and the girl as very mature, so it was kind of a Romeo and Juliet thingy. It's way not.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The socially acceptable American stance is "she's fifteen, wait a couple of years".
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Yeah and then they refuse to "wait a couple of years" because there's nothing illegal about their relationship (because they are around the same age). That's when they pull out the shotgun and imprison their daughter to keep her "safe"...
 
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Arcade22 said:
Yeah and then they refuse to "wait a couple of years" because there's nothing illegal about their relationship (because they are around the same age). That's when they pull out the shotgun and imprison their daughter to keep her "safe"...
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Yes we do that. And this is a bad thing. Nobody is arguing that.
 
Arcade22 said:
Yeah and then they refuse to "wait a couple of years" because there's nothing illegal about their relationship (because they are around the same age). That's when they pull out the shotgun and imprison their daughter to keep her "safe"...
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JoeMorgue said:
Yes we do that. And this is a bad thing. Nobody is arguing that.
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I'd argue that we don't actually do that, the shot gun anyway and its actually just a weird subculture that actually does make girls get married to their rapists, and most of us condemn them as much as the rest of the world. Unfortunately, our attention spans are so low, most folks have already forgotten that happens in the US.

Vixen said:
Legal age of consent has nothing to do with 'readiness for sex'.

It is merely a way of drawing the line of when a child/young adult stops being the legal property of the parent/s.
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So, anyone else notice that time when Vixen said the only reason for age of consent laws is to determine when parents stop "owning" their children? Cause, you know the only reason I think adults shouldn't have sex with 10 year olds is because they are property.
 
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So, just out of curiosity, how many days away from legal was she? We know it was less than 12 months. Are we talking three or four months, or could we be talking about mere weeks?
 
Thermal said:
How about it? I watched a bit of the video, and it got like 85 times creepier. I somehow pictured the singer as being 18 and the girl as very mature, so it was kind of a Romeo and Juliet thingy. It's way not.
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That was disturbing. Am I the only one who noticed that there seemed to be a white van parked outside her bedroom window?

Bonus question - did the Stones ever cover "Good Mornin' Little Schoolgirl?" Seems like they would have.
 
Arcade22 said:
Yeah and then they refuse to "wait a couple of years" because there's nothing illegal about their relationship (because they are around the same age). That's when they pull out the shotgun and imprison their daughter to keep her "safe"...
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Yeah, yeah, then we mount our horses, tip our ten gallon hats, and ride away into the sunset screaming "yee haw" and firing our six-shooters into the air because America is just the stereotypes foreigners imagine it to be.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Yeah, yeah, then we mount our horses, tip our ten gallon hats, and ride away into the sunset screaming "yee haw" and firing our six-shooters into the air because America is just the stereotypes foreigners imagine it to be.
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Okay, maybe they don't necessarily threaten their daughters lover with a gun but apparently it's still deemed completely appropriate to basically lock them up inside their own home to "protect" them from themselves and their perfectly legal relationships.

The other alternative attitude is to respect the freedoms and responsibilities that children are given according by the law. In that sense it's formally no different from grudgingly tolerating that your 21 year old daughter is in a real, or merely perceived, bad relationship.

Legally speaking parents of course do have greater ability to intervene in their children's private life, and have an obligation to prevent obvious harm, but that doesn't mean they should be able to do so simply because they object to their relationship with someone that's noticeably older than them, are from another religious community, are of the same sex or because of some other unreasonable objection. In other words, their own value based objections are irrelevant.
 
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Arcade22 said:
Okay, maybe they don't necessarily threaten their daughters lover with a gun but apparently it's still deemed completely appropriate to basically lock them up inside their own home to "protect" them from themselves and their perfectly legal relationships.
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I disagree with your characterization of Americans. I've been an American for all my life, and lived in the place for all but two years of it, and that is not how I perceive the mainstream to be.
 
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