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Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 3

It's telling that they don't think spinelessly ignoring clear evidence of their President's corruption will hurt their re-election chances.
 
acbytesla said:
I get that. And maybe it's just basic paranoia that makes me suspicious that Bolton would do something that could cause damage to the GOP, a party he's been a member of for 30 years.
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Or. He has concluded that the party he has been a member of for 30 years no longer exists therefore he is now a free agent.
 
Bolton lost everything when he gave up his cushy FOX contributor job for a lousy NSA post in Trump's administration.

His best hope at this point is to find another network that will give him airtime from time to time.
 
My impression of Bolton is that he is a very intelligent, and extremely ideological, person.

He is not in the least partisan. Of course his ideology makes him align almost exclusively with Republicans, but I don't think he has an ounce of party loyalty. On a personal level, I cannot imaging him feeling anything but utter contempt for Trump. He generally likes Trump's policies.

Bolton is also something of an icon on right. Trump calling him a liar won't play well with some of Trump's biggest supporters in the "National Review" wing of the party, except it turns out that that wing feels the same way about Trump. They are aligned with Trump ideologically, but they hate him personally.

So I think Bolton is simply telling the truth, and he doesn't see it as stabbing anyone in the back. He's telling his story (for a profit) and if the truth ends up damaging someone, so be it. I don't think he feels any personal loyalty to Trump or the Republican Party.
 
Bolton is going to retire. Whatever that means. I think not golf. Maybe there is a cave where neocons meet every week to decide where the neocon lobbyist money will go.
 
Meadmaker said:
So I think Bolton is simply telling the truth, and he doesn't see it as stabbing anyone in the back. He's telling his story (for a profit) and if the truth ends up damaging someone, so be it. I don't think he feels any personal loyalty to Trump or the Republican Party.
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My sense is that he has a certain level of animosity against Trump for the way he was dismissed.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
My sense is that he has a certain level of animosity against Trump for the way he was dismissed.
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Yeah but Trump's entire circle is comprised nearly completely of people who utterly hate him but won't do anything against him.

Nobody except maybe, maybe Steve Bannon, ever struck me as "liking" Trump in any human sense of the term.
 
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I think Bolton can do more damage to Fox than to Trump.
He has been a darling of Fox viewers, and it is utterly discrediting, the way in which Fox commentators try to pretend that he is actually a Leftist mole.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Giuliani calls Bolton a "backstabber"
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Giuliani said:
"He never said to me, 'I've got a problem with what you are doing in Ukraine,'" Giuliani said. "Never once, never winked, never sent me a little note. He is a personal friend, I thought. So here's the only conclusion I can come to, and it's a harsh one, and I feel very bad about it: He's a backstabber."
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I understand what Giuliani is saying but I think he's being naive. His experience is as mayor of New York City. But this isn't a group of city council members in Brooklyn that want some industrial development money and the group from Queens will vote for it but only if the mayor agrees to fund their sewer project. This is global politics, this is potentially a military situation with real bullets and people dying.

Giuliani wasn't an official figure. Giuliani knew Trump from New York, he described himself as the president's "personal lawyer." He was an outsider inserting himself in sensitive government issues. Bolton was the National Security Adviser. He owed Giuliani nothing. No loyalty, no allegiance. Bolton kept his mouth shut. That was probably a smart move, and for reasons Giuliani wouldn't understand if it was explained to him. ;)
 
newyorkguy said:
Giuliani said:


I understand what Giuliani is saying but I think he's being naive. His experience is as mayor of New York City. But this isn't a group of city council members in Brooklyn that want some industrial development money and the group from Queens will vote for it but only if the mayor agrees to fund their sewer project. This is global politics, this is potentially a military situation with real bullets and people dying.

Giuliani wasn't an official figure. Giuliani knew Trump from New York, he described himself as the president's "personal lawyer." He was an outsider inserting himself in sensitive government issues. Bolton was the National Security Adviser. He owed Giuliani nothing. No loyalty, no allegiance. Bolton kept his mouth shut. That was probably a smart move, and for reasons Giuliani wouldn't understand if it was explained to him. ;)
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Giuliani was not in this necessarily to achieve his goal but to interfere and take any money offered. If it worked, fine. He had to go to a foreign country and do what he could. Trump was not going to pay him, so he had to try to damage democrats as much as possible by whatever means. They were basically fishing. There must be some Democrat that gained something when dealing with the young state of Ukraine. Then tie that somehow to Biden.

If this ever gets thoroughly researched and published Rachel Maddow style, it will be a follow the money thing. It will most likely lead to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Ukraine_scandal#Dmytry_Firtash

who funded Rudy and Parnas.
 
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