2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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Is this accurate? I thought it was the other way around. That he didn't feel it was fair for men who transitioned to women to compete against women because they would have a biological advantage.

Exactly. Trans women are men who transitioned to women, and thus would have the advantage. I don't think there are any real cases of women transitioning to men and attempting MMA as a male.
 

And Media Fact Check says...

Overall, we rate American Greatness Right biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to the use of poor sources.

Other than that, was there any particular link that you were trying to make to the 2020 Democratic Party candidates here? Or was that just an exercise in creating an off topic tangent out of nowhere (as opposed to an OT tangent that happens to arise from conversation)?

In more relevant news...

Iowa's Biggest Newspaper, The Des Moines Register, Endorses Elizabeth Warren In The Dem Primary

The Des Moines Register editorial board endorses Elizabeth Warren in the 2020 Iowa Democratic caucuses as the best leader for these times.

The senior U.S. senator from Massachusetts is not the radical some perceive her to be. She was a registered Republican until 1996. She is a capitalist. “I love what markets can do,” she said. “They are what make us rich, they are what create opportunity.”

But she wants fair markets, with rules and accountability. She wants a government that works for people, not one corrupted by cash.

A former Harvard professor and expert in bankruptcy law, she helped set up the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. The agency was specifically designed to prevent a repeat of the banking crisis and look out for little guys swindled by lenders and credit card companies.

Also in that link is a decent ad for Warren's electability.

"The president is concerned about running against Elizabeth Warren..."

"He fears Elizabeth Warren most..."

"They see her as a threat..."
 
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And Media Fact Check says...



Other than that, was there any particular link that you were trying to make to the 2020 Democratic Party candidates here? Or was that just an exercise in creating an off topic tangent out of nowhere (as opposed to an OT tangent that happens to arise from conversation)?

In more relevant news...

Iowa's Biggest Newspaper, The Des Moines Register, Endorses Elizabeth Warren In The Dem Primary



Also in that link is a decent ad for Warren's electability.

Just go with your "fact checker" and ignore what the individual author said in his article. Fine with me. The article is about how massive income inequality has been generated in a state that is run by Democrats, and the symbiotic relationship between public service unions and government that contributes greatly to it. One thing it didn't mention is that California is dead last among the states in both the number and percentage of kids who finish the 9th grade, as well as the 12th grade. It's unlikely this information could be found in WaPo, LAT, or NYT. It is something voters should consider when voting for any Democrat.
 
Just go with your "fact checker" and ignore what the individual author said in his article. Fine with me. The article is about how massive income inequality has been generated in a state that is run by Democrats, and the symbiotic relationship between public service unions and government that contributes greatly to it. One thing it didn't mention is that California is dead last among the states in both the number and percentage of kids who finish the 9th grade, as well as the 12th grade. It's unlikely this information could be found in WaPo, LAT, or NYT. It is something voters should consider when voting for any Democrat.
Perhaps you could share a quote from the article that isn't a pejorative-laden screed?

Because based on that snippet, I call the article a flaming bag of wingnut bull puckey that only a brainwashed simpleton would go sharing as a substantive critique.
 
People need to put aside the labels and listen to the policy messages Sanders has been clearly and repeatedly offering for decades.

Universal healthcare, student debt forgiveness, liveable minimum wages, taxing the uberwealthly and reining in the obscene wealth divide. If these are not mainstream Democratic policies then forget them.

What I've heard Sanders repeat for years is he needs a revolution of young people and people that don't normally vote. That's his plan.

Where is this army and why are they hiding?
 
What I've heard Sanders repeat for years is he needs a revolution of young people and people that don't normally vote. That's his plan.

Where is this army and why are they hiding?

Number of young voters in Iowa rose from 11 percent in 2016 to a projected 35 percent for this election. I think that's significant.

Oh, and

Maybe they are lining up to vote for TOM2020! Or maybe not. ;)

;)
 
What I've heard Sanders repeat for years is he needs a revolution of young people and people that don't normally vote. That's his plan.

Where is this army and why are they hiding?

He seems to be doing well for votes but lets see how this unfolds.

I am interested in his ideas for real change and a fairer system. The way he gets portrayed by Democrat voters is interesting too.
 
What I've heard Sanders repeat for years is he needs a revolution of young people and people that don't normally vote. That's his plan.

Where is this army and why are they hiding?



Uh....aren't they plainly visible in the polls where Sanders beats Trump?
 
Just go with your "fact checker" and ignore what the individual author said in his article. Fine with me.

Better yet, tell me why I should take it seriously in the first place. I looked over that piece a bit, as well as a number of other writings that he had there. What I saw was a whole lot of inanity. In particular, a heaping helping of one of the most prevalent features of right-wing propaganda seems to be the standard for his writings - cherry-picking something minor, overemphasizing it like crazy, and conveniently ignoring the other 99% of the picture to generate an incredibly skewed picture and conclusion. In the real world, after all, most issues are rather complex and it's usually not hard to find something that can be twisted into some preferred narrative.

The article is about how massive income inequality has been generated in a state that is run by Democrats, and the symbiotic relationship between public service unions and government that contributes greatly to it. One thing it didn't mention is that California is dead last among the states in both the number and percentage of kids who finish the 9th grade, as well as the 12th grade. It's unlikely this information could be found in WaPo, LAT, or NYT. It is something voters should consider when voting for any Democrat.

To be clear, Democrats in general aren't even remotely all angelic or wise sages with perfect understanding, just like all groups of humans tend not to be angelic or perfectly wise. Indeed, they tend to be quite fallible in a number of ways. Hence one of the reasons why I quite desire for good and responsible competition with Republicans that actually are principled and working for the good of the country, rather than of their self and party alone. Sadly, that breed of Republicans sure looks like they're becoming increasingly rare, especially in the age of Fox News and the various other deceitful GOP-propaganda outlets, from "Christian" leaders preaching GOP propaganda from the pulpit - propaganda that even frequently directly contradicts Jesus' teachings - to those funded by industries like Big Coal, Big Oil, Big Pharma, the gun makers, the big banks, and so on to pump out false and misleading information to muddy the waters, trick those that it has been tailored to trick (who then may well add to it), and give pretexts for corrupt or unwise politicians - just about all Republicans these days after the extensive efforts to corrupt the Republican party by a relatively few very rich and powerful people (and without any serious party pushback against said efforts because those people did it smartly) and a far too large chunk of Democrats, going by the evidence - to give big money interests more and more and more power. Unions can, in fact, be part of this and there honestly should be vigilance against that, but it's also well worth remembering that unions were largely created as backlash to and to restrain various much larger big money interests after those big money interests went waaaaaay too far in their efforts to effectively turn people into slaves and then brought the economy to its knees with their excesses - totally screwing over massive numbers of normal people and mildly inconveniencing the very rich people who caused the problem. Those big money interests have long been working to badmouth and undermine unions in general exactly because those unions are there to prevent them from doing the exact same thing again.
 
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Better yet, tell me why I should take it seriously in the first place. I looked over that piece a bit, as well as a number of other writings that he had there. What I saw was a whole lot of inanity. In particular, a heaping helping of one of the most prevalent features of right-wing propaganda seems to be the standard for his writings - cherry-picking something minor, overemphasizing it like crazy, and conveniently ignoring the other 99% of the picture to generate an incredibly skewed picture and conclusion. In the real world, after all, most issues are rather complex and it's usually not hard to find something that can be twisted into some preferred narrative.



To be clear, Democrats in general aren't even remotely all angelic or wise sages with perfect understanding, just like all groups of humans tend not to be angelic or perfectly wise. Indeed, they tend to be quite fallible in a number of ways. Hence one of the reasons why I quite desire for good and responsible competition with Republicans that actually are principled and working for the good of the country, rather than of their self and party alone. Sadly, that breed of Republicans sure looks like they're becoming increasingly rare, especially in the age of Fox News and the various other deceitful GOP-propaganda outlets, from "Christian" leaders preaching GOP propaganda from the pulpit - propaganda that even frequently directly contradicts Jesus' teachings - to those funded by industries like Big Coal, Big Oil, Big Pharma, the gun makers, the big banks, and so on to pump out false and misleading information to muddy the waters, trick those that it has been tailored to trick (who then may well add to it), and give pretexts for corrupt or unwise politicians - just about all Republicans these days after the extensive efforts to corrupt the Republican party by a relatively few very rich and powerful people (and without any serious party pushback against said efforts because those people did it smartly) and a far too large chunk of Democrats, going by the evidence - to give big money interests more and more and more power. Unions can, in fact, be part of this and there honestly should be vigilance against that, but it's also well worth remembering that unions were largely created as backlash to and to restrain various much larger big money interests after those big money interests went waaaaaay too far in their efforts to effectively turn people into slaves and then brought the economy to its knees with their excesses - totally screwing over massive numbers of normal people and mildly inconveniencing the very rich people who caused the problem. Those big money interests have long been working to badmouth and undermine unions in general exactly because those unions are there to prevent them from doing the exact same thing again.

Income inequality is something Democrats harp on constantly and have for a long time, but in California they seem to be uninterested in what is causing a good chunk of it. The author of that article describes exactly how that is happening, but, as usual, it's tossed aside because it is not written by an approved left-wing sycophant. Why not attack his argument on its merits instead of just complaining he comes from the opposite side of your political spectrum?
 
Maybe they are lining up to vote for TOM2020! Or maybe not. ;)

It's a bit early to tell at the moment.

I did see one good thing about a Sanders POTUS yesterday, though. He listed all the Executive Orders he will issue on day on and I thought, payback time you idiot right-wingers. You wanted a POTUS with unlimited authority to override Congress. You may regret what you wished for.
 
Income inequality is something Democrats harp on constantly and have for a long time, but in California they seem to be uninterested in what is causing a good chunk of it. The author of that article describes exactly how that is happening, but, as usual, it's tossed aside because it is not written by an approved left-wing sycophant. Why not attack his argument on its merits instead of just complaining he comes from the opposite side of your political spectrum?

How about next time there's a substantive point that supports your position in an article, quote that part rather than the part full of emotional invectives?

Because quoting that part and then wailing about how unfair everyone is being just makes me want to conclude it's typical trumptrash gaslighting.

Care to take a 2nd swing at it?

I'm not going to wade through the garbage to find your holy grail. Quote responsibly or be dismissed, your choice.
 
I'll take this as indication you're doubling down on boogeyman labels and insults and have zero interest in an open discussion about issues.

Took quite a few paragraphs of insult slinging to get to a bullet list of his faults. Including "quoting" him saying bad things (literally one word quotes in a sentence invented around it), trying to get someone he once knew's words into Sanders' mouth, etc.

Hack journalism by the Washington Examiner. Oh, do excuse me for being redundant.

If this were the EVE Online forums, I'd call this "◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊."
 
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Sanders at #1 in the polls is pretty surprising, especially since Warren is still in the running. It will be interesting to see if and how Biden's campaign and the Democratic party elite respond.
 
Income inequality is something Democrats harp on constantly and have for a long time, but in California they seem to be uninterested in what is causing a good chunk of it. The author of that article describes exactly how that is happening, but, as usual, it's tossed aside because it is not written by an approved left-wing sycophant. Why not attack his argument on its merits instead of just complaining he comes from the opposite side of your political spectrum?

Delphic Oracle already addressed this a bit, but... I'll repeat myself anyways.

Better yet, tell me why I should take it seriously in the first place. I looked over that piece a bit, as well as a number of other writings that he had there. What I saw was a whole lot of inanity. In particular, a heaping helping of one of the most prevalent features of right-wing propaganda seems to be the standard for his writings - cherry-picking something minor, overemphasizing it like crazy, and conveniently ignoring the other 99% of the picture to generate an incredibly skewed picture and conclusion. In the real world, after all, most issues are rather complex and it's usually not hard to find something that can be twisted into some preferred narrative.

You've said nothing at all to convince me that it's worth the time to dissect further, much less for your sake, given my observations of how open to honest discussion you are and how OT the topic that you're trying to ram into this thread without even a pretext is. That has very little to do with where the writing or writer may sit on the political spectrum, though it is indeed worth noting that right-wing propaganda tends to rely far, far less on whole-picture truths on most subjects (not all) than left-wing propaganda does. Rather, it has far more to do with what he's pretty clearly doing. The author of that expresses an element of the larger issue, one which can be made to look bad for the Democrats, while completely ignoring the rest of the relevant information - which just so happens to account for the overwhelming share of the actual issue that's supposedly being discussed - and they're expressing that small share in an extremely biased way to enrage you while giving you tacit "confirmation" about how right your "side" actually is, triggering potent physical reactions. That's a tactic that works very significantly better on conservatives than liberals, given the different ways that liberal and conservative brains work, and has become something of a standard in right-wing propaganda (and has been one of the notable drivers in how liberals and conservatives are becoming more and more polarized politically, where they weren't anywhere close to as much before). If it makes you feel better, that doesn't make it liberals categorically better than conservatives, just different.
 
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I stopped at the nonsense figures from the Black Book of Communism or whatever ******** it's called.

Perhaps Sanders was once a Marxist, but Marxism isn't all doom and violent revolution and there's nothing to indicate he wants to implement it anyway. If he ever was, he's softened his stance into democratic socialism instead of a revolutionary socialism.
 
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