2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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theprestige said:
How much of her plan depends on Congress to pass bills for her to sign?
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My estimate? 80-90%. It's all in one act, but some parts of that act could be enacted with executive orders. But its elements are extremely popular.

Your point is that Republicans will continue to purposefully break government and not even allow a vote in the Senate if they keep it. This is true. It is true of all the changes by all the candidates. This is in no way an argument against her, or that her path has the best chance.

Without Trump to constantly create media distractions using governmental power, the fact that the GOP has blocked even voting on anti-corruption measures would get more media time. This pressure has worked before, and if they don't, they get to own more proof they are for corruption. This attracts more people who are for corruption, but repels those who are actually against it. Either way, the US gets the government it deserves.
 
tyr_13 said:
My estimate? 80-90%. It's all in one act, but some parts of that act could be enacted with executive orders. But its elements are extremely popular.

Your point is that Republicans will continue to purposefully break government and not even allow a vote in the Senate if they keep it. This is true. It is true of all the changes by all the candidates. This is in no way an argument against her, or that her path has the best chance.

Without Trump to constantly create media distractions using governmental power, the fact that the GOP has blocked even voting on anti-corruption measures would get more media time. This pressure has worked before, and if they don't, they get to own more proof they are for corruption. This attracts more people who are for corruption, but repels those who are actually against it. Either way, the US gets the government it deserves.
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You're infinitely wrong about my point. Nice try, though.
 
Venom said:
I don't know what this means. Which speech?
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It was something like a few months ago. I can't remember the forum. But it was basically all things that seemed like a rousing defense of New Deal progressivism. There was no seizing the means of production. It was regulation. Government regulation does not always mean socialism. Socialism is not simply 'anything the government does'. Ok, some of the infrastructure things might have been socialist now that I think of it. Medicare for all maybe? I mean, it seizes the payment for an industry. Is a 'socialist' option, socialism?

I'm all for mixed systems. Different incentives to check different problems.
 
tyr_13 said:
It was something like a few months ago. I can't remember the forum. But it was basically all things that seemed like a rousing defense of New Deal progressivism. There was no seizing the means of production. It was regulation. Government regulation does not always mean socialism. Socialism is not simply 'anything the government does'. Ok, some of the infrastructure things might have been socialist now that I think of it. Medicare for all maybe? I mean, it seizes the payment for an industry. Is a 'socialist' option, socialism?

I'm all for mixed systems. Different incentives to check different problems.
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Did he explicitly address socialism in that speech?

Even if he is a socialist at heart it doesn't mean he'd try to turn the U.S. into a socialist state; in all likelihood it'd turn into a more social democratic FDR country. He even said I'm not for seizing the means of production or anything in one speech; it might even be the one you're referring to. Now I do get frustrated when Bernie Sanders sidesteps the question of his socialist leanings and doesn't just put out the fire then and there, but I wouldn't say he lost my respect over that.
 
Put my TOM2020 sign in the yard tonight!

His message is get corporate influence out. If you think about it, the rest will follow if we do that.

Big risk is making big business your enemy.
 
USA Today is still running Ukraine Biden stories. So the Trump campaign will be running "but Ukraine" throughout the election. Nobody will be happy with the result and end of the trial.

Nevertheless
My predictions for 2020 plus
1 Biden wins...another 1-term president
2 GOP loses hold on senate
3 four years go by, very little change except on immigrants
4 dem's fail to work the senate that is close to 50/50
5 Trumpists lose interest....Romney runs
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Put my TOM2020 sign in the yard tonight!

His message is get corporate influence out. If you think about it, the rest will follow if we do that.

Big risk is making big business your enemy.
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And how will he do that with

K Street
FOX NEWS
SINCLAIR
A REPUBLICAN SENATE
And an in the bag conservative court?

I love the idea. Hell, any progressive, liberal and 75% of the Democratic Party have been saying that forever.
 
what does Tom Steyer offer that Bernie Sanders doesn't?

Sanders is more energetic, has broader appeal, much higher up in the polls.

The Republicans will always be sore losers about any Democrat win over Trump. Might as well double down on it. Expose the Republicans in a way no Democrat has so far.
 
Meanwhile, first Emerson poll of the year, perhaps not very strong, but it strengthens the idea that it's gonna be either Biden or Sanders, so time to take your pick. Sanders NEEDS Yang and Warren voters.

The first Emerson College National Poll of 2020 finds two clear front runners competing for the Democratic nomination. Former Vice President Joe Biden leads with 30%, followed closely by Senator Bernie Sanders at 27%. Senator Elizabeth Warren comes in third at 13%, followed by Andrew Yang at 8%, former Mayor Michael Bloomberg at 7%, and former Mayor Pete Buttigieg at 6%. Data collected January 21-23, 2020, n=497 +/- 4.1%.
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acbytesla said:
And how will he do that with

K Street
FOX NEWS
SINCLAIR
A REPUBLICAN SENATE
And an in the bag conservative court?

I love the idea. Hell, any progressive, liberal and 75% of the Democratic Party have been saying that forever.
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I weighed my current choices:

Biden who I think will lose.

Sanders(2) and Warren(1) who can't get done what they want to either.

Klobuchar and Buttigieg who I don't think can win the primary let alone the election.

Bloomberg who I think is a sure win against Trump so he's tempting. But talk about a corporate candidate.

That leaves Steyer who has the money and has the message when he gets it out there. IMO, it's as good as Warren's and Sanders'.
 
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