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House Impeachment Inquiry

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Embarrassing Rudy and Trump needs to start right now. Do you think the Democrats are smart enough to market that?

Post Rudy's salary too, 6 figures on the public dime is what I heard.
 
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Roberts blocked the census question. That's more than putting on a show; that's derailing a campaign promise.

But he made it clear that he wouldn't have if it wasn't for the emails stating that Republicans are doing this explicitly to disenfranchise Black and Latino voters.
It's that we got lucky, not that Roberts had some backbone.
 
I posted it here a few days ago. But it bears repeating.
I saw it somewhere today. So maybe it was in a Twitter reply to something else.

I've skipped a lot of pages in this thread. I don't know how anyone can read every page.

But I'm not surprised anyway that someone else posted it a few days back. Yeah, needs repeating for sure.
 
But he made it clear that he wouldn't have if it wasn't for the emails stating that Republicans are doing this explicitly to disenfranchise Black and Latino voters.
It's that we got lucky, not that Roberts had some backbone.

This is a good point, we shouldn't accept social media flooding with claims blacks won't vote for Buttigieg. It could be completely made up and spread around by bots and trolls.

They are a likely source for all kinds of crap like Clinton wants to run and Buttigieg is a loser.
 
Because the jig is up. You don't think the world hasn't been turning over every rock on Biden?.

Rudy is now under pressure. The President is being impeached because he asked the Ukrainians to investigate Biden. The time for Rudy to save himself was 2 months ago. Not in 8 months.

I also don't frankly buy that Rudy has the skills to get real dirt on Biden. Trump called him a cybersecurity expert. He's not. Rudy hasn't been a prosecutor for two decades. I would guess that all Rudy has are unsubstantiated rumors. He's a bs artist, just like Trump.

A cybersecurity expert.... who locked himself out of his own iphone!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-genius-help-unlock-his-iphone-after-n1074241
 
Because the jig is up. You don't think the world hasn't been turning over every rock on Biden?.

Rudy is now under pressure. The President is being impeached because he asked the Ukrainians to investigate Biden. The time for Rudy to save himself was 2 months ago. Not in 8 months.

I also don't frankly buy that Rudy has the skills to get real dirt on Biden. Trump called him a cybersecurity expert. He's not. Rudy hasn't been a prosecutor for two decades. I would guess that all Rudy has are unsubstantiated rumors. He's a bs artist, just like Trump.

I agree with your assessment of Giuliani. I suspect he latched onto Trump because he wanted to be 'somebody' again.
 

I had to laugh when I read his complaint. He sounded like a whining 4 year old complaining that his slice of cake wasn't as big as his sister's.

It's true Trump's picture wasn't hung in the embassy. But the reason is that all official offices, embassies, etc were ordered not to hang any picture but the official portrait and that wasn't sent out to the embassies until about 15 months after the inauguration. Yovanovitch had nothing to do with the delay in hanging is stupid picture. It's just another of Trump's lies to smear her.
 
The Republican Senate, headed by McConnell.

Please sell me on any scenario where the Senate is going to do anything in any context less out there an episode of the Twilight Zone.

Right, the positions not appointed by him :confused: . I'm wondering if the quote system is leading to confusion.

People keep throwing this "moral imperative" argument out as if it's a blank check to ignore all reality and act morally superior while doing it.

How is handing Trump 2020 the "moral thing" to do because we can't let him "get away" with his actions?

I'm sure for office holders it is a moral argument, but I was making a purely functional one there. How would giving permission to Trump to undermine Congress's national security measures to garner foreign aid in the 2020 affect our government? For your interest, would it help defeat him in 2020?

Errrr... yeah. One day I'll get explanation how that's some insane fringe belief I should be shouting a pigeons in the park while wearing a tinfoil hat.

Well it does strike me as a bit odd that you believe that Trump has an unflappable base that will support him no matter what, but Democrats are failing for not finding some solution to this impossible electoral scenario. Your position is also the definition of "all or nothing" thinking.

We're all either actively (as in just fully admit it) or passively (as in can't give me an actual realistic scenario where it's gonna happen) agreeing that Trump isn't going to be removed fromm office. Again that's what I'm most angry about. We all agree we're doing nothing.

Trump not winning in 2020 is literally the only way we can get rid of him that doesn't require a series of miracles so unlikely we might as well be invoking God. And impeaching him sends those odds into the basement.

No, I don't want to hear "but you can't know that for sure!" I'm extrapolating from the data as much as anyone else and getting tired of that line from people who see it as an absolutely metaphysical certainty that the 3,475th time we prove Trump did a bad thing that he's already openly admitted he's done is absolutely with certainty going to the thing that takes him down because "the rule book says that's how it has to work" or cause a statistically meaningful amount of his followers to abandon him.

But the good thing about your side of the argument is if you're right none of use are going to care because Trump is gone and if you're wrong none of us are going to care because we're going to have much, much, much bigger problems to deal with.

Either way my only "win" is going to be being able to be the "I told ya so" guy and I don't get a lot of pleasure out of that.

If I'm wrong dance the "I told you so" dance on my head until the cows come home, I care not.

Just know if I'm right I won't do the same, because there's a lot more at stake here.

The world is not paused until 2020, and it won't end there either. Your position is for Democrats to roll over on any crimes the President commits and instead do... "something" that will definitely hurt his reelection odds with his base that will always support him no matter what. I have problems with the Democratic leadership, but I don't see this criticism as arguing for a better alternative.
 
This is a good point, we shouldn't accept social media flooding with claims blacks won't vote for Buttigieg. It could be completely made up and spread around by bots and trolls.

They are a likely source for all kinds of crap like Clinton wants to run and Buttigieg is a loser.

Anything negative about ANY candidate who's not Trump will be spread around by bots and trolls (could be Russian, or some other country's, or just GOP), and yes, we should be wary of to the point of paranoid about amplifying that. It's not just social media, though. "The media cycle" seems to primarily be driven by the actual MSM, followed by the "legit" "alternative media," and individual journalists have their ears to the ground all over the place.
 
Jesus H Christ! He's completely lost it. Oh, and that's extortion.

Well, not really. It's incoherent.

He's saying that if he gets thrown under the bus, he will do something that benefits the president. Of course, if he gets thrown under the bus, it will be by the president or his allies. Hence, it is not extortion. It is a bribe to encourage someone to throw him under the bus.
 
I think that what needs to happen if there's to be any hope for the future of the US is for subpoenas to start being enforced. Those who are defying subpoenas may not be willing to commit perjury, and their testimony might help sway public opinion. Without that, not only will Trump get away with his various crimes, but it sets a very dangerous precedent.

Not to mention the fact that it does Trump's reelection chances a world of good, and will only further embolden him and other Republicans.

I must admit that I find it a bit bewildering and depressing that the reaction to the testimony so far has apparently lessened approval for impeachment, just as I find it depressing that the Tories here in the UK are polling way ahead of anybody else despite their two campaign promises basically being "We're just as sick of how badly we've ****** up Brexit as you are, so let's just get it over with" and "We're going to make the country better by reversing some of the terrible policies we've implemented over the past decade".
 
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