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House Impeachment Inquiry

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Here we go ... Ambassador to say quid pro quo came from Giuliani at 'express direction of the President'

US Ambassador Gordon Sondland will testify Wednesday there was a quid pro quo for Ukraine to announce investigations into President Donald Trump's political opponents that came from Rudy Giuliani at the "express direction of the President."
What's more, Sondland provided House impeachment investigators with emails and texts showing it wasn't just him and Giuliani pushing for the investigations outside government channels — Trump's inner circle knew what was going on, too. He even said he raised concerns with Vice President Mike Pence that the freezing of $400 million in security aid to Ukraine was linked to the investigations.
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"Sondland? Giuliani? Who are they? I've never heard of them."
 
I've been avoiding watching the hearings, or indeed, the news. But my wife has it on all day long, so I can't actually avoid it.
Sondland is on now, and throwing Trump under the bus. He's started by stating he was told not to appear, and that he's been denied access to his records by the State Department.
 
Sondland's testimony would appear to be damning:

Sondland says he, cabinet member Rick Perry and special envoy Kurt Volker were asked to work with Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, "at the express direction of the president".

"We did not want to work with Mr Giuliani," Sondland says. "Simply put, we played the hand we were dealt," adding that working on US-Ukrainian relations was conditioned on working with Giuliani.
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Then again, perhaps it's just my left wing bias because the Republicans seem completely unconcerned:

Top committee Republican Devin Nunes rubbishes the Democratic-led impeachment inquiry.

He says Democrats have repeatedly "floated the idea of malfeasance" by Trump
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So maybe it isn't the smoking gun that I thought it was. :o
 
The Don said:
Sondland's testimony would appear to be damning:



Then again, perhaps it's just my left wing bias because the Republicans seem completely unconcerned:



So maybe it isn't the smoking gun that I thought it was. :o
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It is a smoking gun if you're looking for the truth. If you're Trumptrash it's all just more lies.
 
Devin Nunes actually compared Trump's actions to George Washington.

"I would remind my friends on the other side of the aisle that our first president, George Washington, directed his own diplomatic channels to secure a treaty with Great Britain. If my Democratic colleagues were around in 1794, they’d probably want to impeach him, too."
 
Armitage72 said:
Devin Nunes actually compared Trump's actions to George Washington.

"I would remind my friends on the other side of the aisle that our first president, George Washington, directed his own diplomatic channels to secure a treaty with Great Britain. If my Democratic colleagues were around in 1794, they’d probably want to impeach him, too."
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There is something seriously wrong with that guy.
 
Armitage72 said:
Devin Nunes actually compared Trump's actions to George Washington.

"I would remind my friends on the other side of the aisle that our first president, George Washington, directed his own diplomatic channels to secure a treaty with Great Britain. If my Democratic colleagues were around in 1794, they’d probably want to impeach him, too."
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Well at least this administration has shown us exactly how low some people in government are willing to go to excuse criminal behaviour. It's very informative.

(takes notes for the purge)
 
Armitage72 said:
Devin Nunes actually compared Trump's actions to George Washington.

"I would remind my friends on the other side of the aisle that our first president, George Washington, directed his own diplomatic channels to secure a treaty with Great Britain. If my Democratic colleagues were around in 1794, they’d probably want to impeach him, too."
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Um...no he didn't. The US representatives at the peace negotiations in Paris were all members of the Continental Congress. Washington accepted a battlefield surrender of British forces at Yorktown but that was hardly a diplomatic channel.
 
Craig4 said:
Um...no he didn't. The US representatives at the peace negotiations in Paris were all members of the Continental Congress. Washington accepted a battlefield surrender of British forces at Yorktown but that was hardly a diplomatic channel.
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I think he might be referencing the Jay Treaty, based on the year he specified. Alexander Hamilton and Chief Justice John Jay were involved in the negotiations, and I don't see any indication that Washington was using back channels. It also certainly wasn't for personal political gain.
 
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Armitage72 said:
I think he might be referencing the Jay Treaty, based on the year he specified. Alexander Hamilton and Chief Justice John Jay were involved in the negotiations, and I don't see any indication that Washington was using back channels. It also certainly wasn't for personal political gain.
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Ya, I can see how Britain's surrender and recognition of the US as a nation was in US national interests.
 
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