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The Infinite! In Search of The Ultimate Truth.

Let others place a comment to which I'll get the time and the chance to respond, for a change.

No. You are posting insane religious claims on a skeptic forum and I am a skeptic pulling them apart with ease. :p

Everyone who has posted in this forum has shown you the errors in your claims. You simply keep repeating them and ignore the evidence presented to you.:p
 
... you continue to rack your brain to "debunk" my philosophy, "Infinitism"
No I present evidence and experiments, that are already well known to my fellow skeptics.

You however, can't provide one experiment to support your religious nonsense. .
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No I present evidence and experiments, that are already know known to my fellow skeptics.

You however, can't provide one experiment to support your religious nonsense. .
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What kind of experiment do you propose would possibly prove the Infinite? When as I have already stated, if the Infinite Itself displayed Itself to us, we still would not be able to comprehend it, our minds would not be able to contain the Infinite knowledge/knowledge of what the Infinite is. We would die. Now do you see why I call your arguments childish chamaquito? :D
 
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Infinitism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinitism
"Infinitism is the view that knowledge may be justified by an infinite chain of reasons. It belongs to epistemology, the branch of philosophy"

If it required "an infinite chain of reasons" no knowledge would ever be justified. That would be similar to saying what the ancient Greek skeptics had said, that we cannot be certain about anything; there is only one thing we should be certain about, the Infinite.
 
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The idea of the religion as you present it is a god of the gaps. What we don't fully understand that god did or does.

It's a complicated way of saying " we don't know just yet "

Which if that statement alone is used, we need no gods. We need better sciences and strive to achieve them.
 
Dude, relax. You won this one a long time ago.
I know that. I just find it entertaining. It's like the pittsburghjoe thread ; Insane conflicting scientific claims with no evidence. :)

As you probably observed he makes up excuses on the spot, when presented with actual science. However he forgets what he has previously posted. The more he posts, the more self conflicting statements he makes, that I can throw back at him. (That's why he had all his early posts deleted on the SSF.)

This time, we have gathered conflicting excuses for all his claims and he can't delete any of them. As he can't delete his posts, he tries to flip the thread onto the next page, by telling us his life story and copying excerpts from Wikipedia he hasn't bothered to read himself.
 
What kind of experiment do you propose would possibly prove the Infinite? When as I have already stated, if the Infinite Itself displayed Itself to us, we still would not be able to comprehend it, our minds would not be able to contain the Infinite knowledge/knowledge of what the Infinite is. We would die. Now do you see why I call your arguments childish chamaquito? :D

Strange then, that you appear quite able to comprehend "The Infinite", and- I assume- you are not currently dead.
 
Whether I have proved beyond reasonable doubt, to a hypothetical jury of scientists whether the concept of the Infinite stands; that is a matter, as I have already mentioned, of perception and perspective.
You have "proven" nothing to anyone. That is why your crank religion has a membership of one.

What I have proved, beyond reasonable doubt, is that the idea of "God" could stand along our scientific knowledge, understanding and proof; and that the two are not contradictory.
Wrong. You have provided none of these three things. You have demonstrated not a scintilla of scientific knowledge, understanding and proof. For example...

We could have evolution stand as proven scientific fact;
Science does not provide proof of anything. It provides evidence. And you have none. Proof is in the realm of mathematics.

and that that evolution is not limited to our planet, but a Universal fact;
Nobody ever claimed it wasn't. That is a strawman of your own making.

a fact even that takes place throughout the Infinite (as is devolution; formations and deformations).
Now your cheese has slid off the cracker and you are making unevidenced assertions again. Dismissed for lack of evidence.

We don't necessarily have to discard the writings of the Bible; for it perhaps refers to God in an allegorical manner, by people who may had sometimes divine inspiration, as the faithful believe; and wrote down what they understood from that inspiration, with their finite minds; taking in consideration the level of understanding of the times; or may have not, and just wrote down a framework of faith, that they believed it would help in keeping their society in order; perhaps both.
A. I believe in no gods
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B. To which of the thousands of claimed deities do you refer?

Besides, do you know what is missing from all of those thousands of claimed deities? Evidence.

Unless in our generation we have the appearance of a superior entity that presents itself to us, with the characteristic of immortality through the millinia and complete power over nature and our visible space beyond Earth,
Can I have dressing with that word salad?
we will never have scientific proof of the existence of God.
Because there is no evidence.
Only indications deriving from philosophical suppositions, in our logical reasoning and endeavors to find explanations and reasons for existence.
Perhaps there is no reason at all.

Yet, if the Infinite was what I presented it to be, and from my perspective it could not be otherwise, then if it did indeed and for whatever the reason choose to present itself in the subtle way it did, through other people's writings, and not directly to the future generations as it is said to have in the stories described in those writings; how could we ever know! Would we ever believe any such display of superior existence? A supernatural being could make its presence yes! But would it be the Infinite? Would it be God? How could the Infinite ever present Itself to a finite being and be understood as such; other than perhaps through the cumulative writing and references throughout the experience of human existence?
More word salad. So far, you have had no evidence, but with this you have no substance either.

<snip bible babble>
I have no idea why you think the poorly written fiction of a bunch of goat herders would impress anyone.

I have already stated in the beginning of my original post, that I am not a scientist but a philosopher,
You are not a philosopher either.

any contemplation that I made based on deductive reasoning, and extrapolations based on recognized patterns and scientific theories I am aware of, were just that; contemplations.
That is an admission that you are simply MAKING IT UP.

Some may be correct, some may not; for others it may yet to be proven and it is still therefore, debatable.
None have been correct so far. All have been wrong so far. Not a good track record, is it?
 
Strange then, that you appear quite able to comprehend "The Infinite", and- I assume- you are not currently dead.

I've only conceived the idea of the Infinite, I did not claim to have visualized the Infinite in its actuality.
 
The problem, tazanastazio, is that one can substitute literally any adjective in the dictionary where you write "Infinite" and the meaning and value of what you're writing doesn't change at all.

"The universe is Blue. It's a Blue that's so utterly Blue that we cannot even comprehend its Blueness. Even I don't understand actual Blueness, even though I'm the only one who has visualized the Blueness that must exist. Despite that lack of understanding, I'm certain that everything you think you know about the universe is wrong, because you haven't arrived at Blue. And by the way, God, because only God can be or create such perfect and profound Blue."

"Infinite" or "Blue" or for that matter "Noisy" or "Holy" or "Squamous." Either way, it doesn't clarify anything. It doesn't explain anything. It doesn't mean anything.
 
You have "proven" nothing to anyone. That is why your crank religion has a membership of one.

Again this is your opinion and the one of some others. As I have stated multiple times already, IT IS A PHILOSOPHICAL CONCEPT NOT A RELIGION. As with all philosophies, this one too started by one person, me.

<...snipped for space economy...>I have no idea why you think the poorly written fiction of a bunch of goat herders would impress anyone....

Even "goat herders" can observe phenomena and relay their experience as best as they can. Some may be fable, or imagined, true; it doesn't mean every account especially as it seems is similar to other such observed phenomena, is false. And the aforementioned "verses" are found in different parts of the Bible, accounting for different people, living in different times and place, yet relaying similar events, and experiences; phenomena as they were perhaps revealed to them.

Just because we don't have proof or evidence about something, it doesn't mean it didn't happen or it does not exist. Skeptics are not deniers, they in the contrary allow more room for doubt, and while leaning pro or against, they still do not dismiss for certain anything till they have undisputed proof/evidence in favor or against. Even the most incredulous of skeptics would not say that the Infinite does not exist, especially when ALL SCIENTIFIC PROOF POINTS TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT COULD NOT BE OTHERWISE, and we have no proof of the existence of an absolute origin; in the contrary we logically see the illogic of such a ridiculous notion.

"I know one thing, I know nothing." Plato accounting for Socrates.

I am absolutely certain for one thing, the Infinite! Everything else is a matter of perception and perspective. There are many things we don't know yet, and many things we'll never learn about.
 
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The problem, tazanastazio, is that one can substitute literally any adjective in the dictionary where you write "Infinite" and the meaning and value of what you're writing doesn't change at all.

"The universe is Blue. It's a Blue that's so utterly Blue that we cannot even comprehend its Blueness. Even I don't understand actual Blueness, even though I'm the only one who has visualized the Blueness that must exist. Despite that lack of understanding, I'm certain that everything you think you know about the universe is wrong, because you haven't arrived at Blue. And by the way, God, because only God can be or create such perfect and profound Blue."

"Infinite" or "Blue" or for that matter "Noisy" or "Holy" or "Squamous." Either way, it doesn't clarify anything. It doesn't explain anything. It doesn't mean anything.

The Infinite includes "Blue", "Blue" does not include the Infinite.
 
The Infinite includes "Blue", "Blue" does not include the Infinite.


Of course your limited ordinary conception of blue, perhaps as one mere color shade among many, does not include the infinite. You don't comprehend Blue. The infinite is only a tiny fraction of all that Blue encompasses.
 
Nope, he didn't. You and others may think he did though, it's your opinion.
Not one person, on either this forum or the SSF forum has ever agreed with your hilarious conflicting religious nonsense.

Do you have any evidence anyone on the planet has ever agreed with your claims?
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