2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker - Part II

[kellyb]

Suuuuuuure he was.

You think he was using the 1%ers donor class event as a microphone to get to Liz and Sanders? lol

You know, he could just call them if he wanted to tell them something.

They were seriously not the intended audience, unless he's turned into a troll, and one who's really bad at it.

 

[kellyb]

I don't have access to the NYT, but the fox link sounds like Fox snipped context, actually. It says:

Former President Barack Obama on Friday warned 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls to pay attention to what voters actually think -- warning that most of them don’t want to “tear down the system.”

“The average American doesn't think we have to completely tear down the system and remake it. And I think it's important for us not to lose sight of that,” Obama said.

It sounds like he was specifically and only talking about M4A. It's a centrist talking point to accuse M4A of something like "tearing down the system and remaking it."

Does anyone have access to the NYT?

 

[kellyb]

I think the recent attacks of the billionaires and the super wealthy against Elizabeth Warren plays right in to her hands. I bet she loves every attack. The billionaires come off as snowflakes whining about being picked on. That it is "unfair" to single them out. Also, it's extra amusing watching them point to another billionaire as their savior.

Did you hear the one about the billionaire telling another billionaire that they shouldn't be taxed?

Liz has started slightly taunting the crybaby billionaires "to their faces" on twitter when they mention her negatively. It's deliciously hilarious. She's also running the wealth tax ads on CNBC.

She's turned pro-tax plans into billionaire-trolling ads, y'all.

Be still, my heart!

 

[Aridas]

Liz has started slightly taunting the crybaby billionaires "to their faces" on twitter when they mention her negatively. It's deliciously hilarious. She's also running the wealth tax ads on CNBC.

She's turned pro-tax plans into billionaire-trolling ads, y'all.

Be still, my heart!

I've seen ads with mugs on them with...

Billionaire
Tears
Warren

As the ad.

Personally, I'm of mixed feelings to that. I'm not a fan of endorsing suffering, after all, much as the billionaires wouldn't actually experience any realistic hardship from the loss of that small fraction of money.

 

[kellyb]

I've seen ads with mugs on them with...

Billionaire
Tears
Warren

As the ad.

Personally, I'm of mixed feelings to that. I'm not a fan of endorsing suffering, after all, much as the billionaires wouldn't actually experience any realistic hardship from the loss of that small fraction of money.

I feel mixed, too. It's not really a Warren Democrat kind of way to be in general. A little guilty schadenfreude over that billionaire actually crying, sure. I mean, it shows how pampered and weird money can make you and why we need to take some of it away. But we need to be careful of that sort of stuff. Politics often makes people kinda psycho, and we should keep that in mind.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

You think he was using the 1%ers donor class event as a microphone to get to Liz and Sanders? lol

You know, he could just call them if he wanted to tell them something.

They were seriously not the intended audience, unless he's turned into a troll, and one who's really bad at it.

How long until "telling a room full of people what they want to hear" becomes a valid explanation?

 

[Venom]

Obama:

“Voters, including Democrats, are not driven by the same views that are reflected on certain left-leaning Twitter feeds, or the activist wing of our party,” he said. “And that’s not a criticism to the activist wing. Their job is to poke and prod and text and inspire and motivate. But the candidate’s job, whoever that ends up being, is to get elected.”

I think even Warren and Sanders are quite cognizant of that last part. For the most part they've avoided criticizing each other and have mostly refrained from going on the offensive against more centrist opponents.

Given that a large portion of their pool of potential voters are made up of "regular" Democrats I'm not surprised.

 

[Craig4]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/16/politics/iowa-poll-cnn-pete-buttigieg/index.html

Wow, Mayor Pete really surged in Iowa. He seems to be taking his lessons from Obama, having a strong ground game. He's a younger Biden when it comes to policy but without the gaffs and voting history in the Senate.

 

[Venom]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/16/politics/iowa-poll-cnn-pete-buttigieg/index.html

Wow, Mayor Pete really surged in Iowa. He seems to be taking his lessons from Obama, having a strong ground game. He's a younger Biden when it comes to policy but without the gaffs and voting history in the Senate.

I think Buttigieg is more like Obama than Biden.

 

[The Shrike]

A more progressive candidate also risks higher conservative turnout.

Does it though? My sense is that conservatives vote at much higher rates than liberals.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

...

Does anyone have access to the NYT?

You get a few free articles each month. Have you used those up?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I think Buttigieg is more like Obama than Biden.

Definitely!

Biden and Obama are not alike just because Biden has been campaigning that Obama's administration was the Biden and Obama administration.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Does it though? My sense is that conservatives vote at much higher rates than liberals.

Is that how we took back the House?

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Edited by Agatha: 

Edited to remove reference to material sent to AAH

“Some call it the ‘my way or the highway’ approach to politics,” Mr. Biden, the former vice president, wrote in a Medium post. “But it’s worse than that. It’s condescending to the millions of Democrats who have a different view. It’s representative of an elitism that working and middle-class people do not share: ‘We know best; you know nothing.’ ‘If you were only as smart as I am you would agree with me.’ This is no way to get anything done.”

Linky.

 

[Aridas]

Is that how we took back the House?

I think you might have missed the point there, which looks like that the threat of more conservatives voting as backlash to Warren or Sanders is probably not as scary a threat as the right wingers want to make it sound, given that the conservatives are largely going to be voting anyways, no matter who the Democratic candidate is.

 

[kellyb]

You get a few free articles each month. Have you used those up?

Yep. It used to let me get a few more by going into incognito mode, but that stopped working at all a year or more ago.

 

[acbytesla]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/16/politics/iowa-poll-cnn-pete-buttigieg/index.html

Wow, Mayor Pete really surged in Iowa. He seems to be taking his lessons from Obama, having a strong ground game. He's a younger Biden when it comes to policy but without the gaffs and voting history in the Senate.

I think he's far smoother than Biden.

I'm just concerned that the United States is not ready to vote for a gay man to be POTUS. I also KNOW the African American vote is essential to win and I also know that people of color are inclined to be more prejudiced against gays. Mayor Pete may be able to win a Democratic caucus in Iowa or say in SF, Seattle or NYC, but I don't know if he can win a state wide election. He wasn't even elected as an "out" homosexual in the city he is Mayor.

Do we really think he can sway enough votes in Michigan, Ohio, Virginia, NC, Pennsylvania etc?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Yep. It used to let me get a few more by going into incognito mode, but that stopped working at all a year or more ago.

Try the Startpage search engine and use "anonymous view". It's not the best search engine but for basic stuff the anonymous view is a tad better than incognito.

 

[Brainster]

It says:



He was talking to them, not Liz and Sanders.

So he was telling them not to support Liz and Sanders?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I think he's far smoother than Biden.

I'm just concerned that the United States is not ready to vote for a gay man to be POTUS. I also KNOW the African American vote is essential to win and I also know that people of color are inclined to be more prejudiced against gays. Mayor Pete may be able to win a Democratic caucus in Iowa or say in SF, Seattle or NYC, but I don't know if he can win a state wide election. He wasn't even elected as an "out" homosexual in the city he is Mayor.

Do we really think he can sway enough votes in Michigan, Ohio, Virginia, NC, Pennsylvania etc?

I feel the same way about Warren, can she stand up against the socialism attacks. And I keep wavering. But if we can expose Trump for who he is, then whoever wins the Democratic Primary can defeat him.

Buttigieg can beat Trump, gay or not. But he doesn't have the experience to stand up to the Republicans just like Obama didn't. We got a good POTUS with Obama, so how did we end up with Trump? We missed something. Obama missed something. Buttigieg can become a great POTUS. But not as a mayor taking on the Congress. He needs to learn the ropes.

Warren can take on anyone. And they are going to attack her at every place she turns. We have to get rid of McConnell at all costs. But whether we can or cannot vote McConnell out, the Republicans need to lose.

So much needs to be done to clean up Trump's mess. Buttigieg will spend the first year just figuring out the ropes, precious lost time.

I wish someone else would rise to the top. But if they don't I think Warren is a stronger candidate because she has experience, even with her overly grand goals that have little chance of instant gratification.