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How to explain this fact?

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Cris said:
You should not generalize.
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We have to, because -- as you probably well know -- we do not and cannot have access to all the facts. We cannot develop evidence on our own to investigate. We have no way of knowing whether the facts you are recounting are your best recollection, are true and complete, or -- as your colleague Ricardo showed us -- intentionally made up to stump us.

If you're not willing to be satisfied with general answers, don't make us try to explain second- or third-hand anecdotes.
 
Cris said:
You should not generalize.
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Utter rot. I have no choice but to generalise. Why? Because your anecdotes are so vague that I must perforce guess your intended meaning. If, as you claim, you are unable to make yourself plainly understood, Ricardo, then the problem is yours and yours alone. Not anyone else's.

Cris said:
Try another explanation.
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There are no explanations that either...
A. you would accept

and

B. vaguely understand.

What would be the point?
 
JayUtah said:
We have to, because -- as you probably well know -- we do not and cannot have access to all the facts. We cannot develop evidence on our own to investigate. We have no way of knowing whether the facts you are recounting are your best recollection, are true and complete, or -- as your colleague Ricardo showed us -- intentionally made up to stump us.

If you're not willing to be satisfied with general answers, don't make us try to explain second- or third-hand anecdotes.
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It is not an invention.
I have other evidence.
but for you it's just anecdotal evidence.
 
Cris said:
the spirits.
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So all this attempt at discussing the roots of skepticism and the moral nature of mediumship was a sham. You're a believer in spirits and mediums.

Now what is your explanation of this fact?
what is the cause?
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I say you made the story up. I have as much evidence for that explanation as you do that some "spirit" drew the picture. Except mine is more parsimonious.
 
Cris said:
It is not an invention.
I have other evidence.
but for you it's just anecdotal evidence.
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Yes, you're playing the standard believer's game of giving us a the cherry-picked version of an anecdote just so you can make a point of others' inability to find a prosaic solution. The last guy who tried that, your fellow countryman, finally had to admit he made it all up. So the first thing you have to do is prove to us that none of the details of this story are made up. Get to it.
 
Cris said:
The medium created the drawing, in my house and in the presence of twenty witnesses of the portrait of a young woman who had been dead for eighteen months and whom he did not know, a portrait recognized by the young woman's father present at the session.
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Do you have any evidence at all that any of this happened?

Do you have contact information for the medium?

Do you have contact information for the father?

Do you have contact information for the twenty witnesses?

Do you have the picture that was drawn?

Can the father provide a likeness of his daughter apart from the picture?

Can you explain how the daughter went her whole life without having a picture taken of her?

Can you explain how the daughter went her whole life without ever interacting with anyone who could describe her appearance?

I pick a person from the audience. I ask him to pick a card but not tell me or show the audience. I throw the whole deck in the air. I catch one card. I show it to the person and he confirms that was his card. Can you explain how I did it?
 
JayUtah said:
Yes, you're playing the standard believer's game of giving us a the cherry-picked version of an anecdote just so you can make a point of others' inability to find a prosaic solution. The last guy who tried that, your fellow countryman, finally had to admit he made it all up. So the first thing you have to do is prove to us that none of the details of this story are made up. Get to it.
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All you can't explain is invention.
stop generalizing.
admit that you cannot explain this fact.
 
No one knew the daughter. Did you know the father?
It sounds like he was a stranger to the rest of the audience. Can you tell us anything more about how you all came to be together?

One simple explanation is fraud. The father was a plant.

You said that the session was free, but was he selling other services?
 
Cris said:
I already said only the father knew the daughter
what is your explanation?
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My explanation is that the likeness wasn't all that remarkable, but the guy spoke up anyway in the hope/fear that this was his one chance to connect with his dead daughter. You and 20 or so people lapped it up despite having no idea whether the drawing resembled the girl or not.
 
Plot twist: Cris is the father.

The "father" is actually Mother Gothel, and the daughter is actually Rapunzel. It's actually true that nobody knows what she looks like. And the explanation really is magic, because it's a fairy tale world after all.
 
Cris said:
All you can't explain is invention.
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Meaningless gibberish.

stop generalizing.
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Asked and answered. As long as all you have is a vague description of an event that may or may not have happened, only general, speculative answers are possible. No one is obliged to meet a standard that is incompatible with the quality of the evidence.

admit that you cannot explain this fact.
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You haven't shown that it's a fact. All we have is your story. Provide the evidence Loss Leader asked for, or admit that you refuse.
 
JayUtah said:
Meaningless gibberish.



Asked and answered. As long as all you have is a vague description of an event that may or may not have happened, only general, speculative answers are possible. No one is obliged to meet a standard that is incompatible with the quality of the evidence.



You haven't shown that it's a fact. All we have is your story. Provide the evidence Loss Leader asked for, or admit that you refuse.
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I'm going to study skepticism
better not continue on this subject about spirits
I can learn about skepticism here in this forum
 
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