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The Infinite! In Search of The Ultimate Truth.

By Roman beliefs the one bearing the title Caesar was a god. Thus disrupting his laws of tax collection was a crime against god.

Claiming to be the son of god wasn't taken lightly either by that standard, it was a challenge to Caesar.
 
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I see that the hoary old "probability" argument against evolution/life on earth has been raised yet again. Let me just re-post something I originally said over five years ago (with minor editing for clarity)-



So, what about it, taz? If someone laid out a deck of cards as described above, would you really argue that the outcome was an impossible one since the probability of it was so infinitesimally small? Or would you get the point that assessing probabilities before an outcome is a proper use of the concept, but completely irrelevant afterwards? As abaddon (I think) said, the probability of any outcome which has already happened is 100%.

See, here's the thing, to me. If you wanted to argue that there was a god (or an "Infinite" or whatever) that set the whole thing in motion without any regard for how it would turn out, I wouldn't argue against it, because that would be a statement of faith that, in fact, would not conflict with the theory of evolution (or current cosmology)- it's an add-on that isn't necessary to the theory, but it doesn't negate it. But if you want to argue that god not only threw the cards up in the air, resulting in the lay we have, but guided the order and position of each card, then you need more evidence than a "probability" argument that only works as a circle- you end up assessing an outcome as, by definition, an aim only because your argument doesn't work if you don't.

How exactly is the laying of a deck of cards; or decks of cards, in any amount possible, and any possible combination; by a person, or even a computer, infinitesimally small? Especially compared to the level of looking into infinite regression; and when considering from that perspective in mind, the infinite possibilities of infinite progression, combinations, formations and deformations, and actions and reactions?
 
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How exactly is the laying of a deck of cards; or decks of cards, in any amount possible, and any possible combination; by a person, or even a computer, infinitesimally small? Especially compared to the level of looking into infinite regression; and when considering from that perspective in mind, the infinite possibilities of infinite progression, combinations, formations and deformations, and actions and reactions?

You know that none of your ideas will ever have a meaningful impact right? Science will go along as if you never existed.
 
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Now, I can understand your feud with Ellard. He has a gripe with you and pretty much followed you here and prolonged that feud. I fully agree that Ellard has done that...

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Like I said before Abbadon, everyone has an opinion and a mind of their own. Some people cannot tolerate not being able to refute a well made argument, and disprove a case, or "debunk" a theory; and behave as stubborn mules, or as dogs with the rabies.
 
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How exactly is the laying of a deck of cards; or decks of cards, in any amount possible, and any possible combination; by a person, or even a computer, infinitesimally small? Especially compared to the level of looking into infinite regression; and when considering from that perspective in mind, the infinite possibilities of infinite progression, combinations, formations and deformations, and actions and reactions?

Oh, ok, I see the game here- you're going to quibble with my use of "infinitesimally small" so you can avoid the point I was plainly making. Do you at least see what I was getting at? In order to use "probability" as evidence for a normative god laying the whole deck out, you need to first assume that the normative framing is relevant because the outcome was an aim; IOW, you have to assume what the evidence is meant to support in order for it to be support.

Looking into infinite regression, indeed...
 
You know that none of your ideas will ever have a meaningful impact right? Science will go along as if you never existed.

You got me wrong Craig. This is not about thwarting or stopping the progress of science or knowledge and understanding in general; but contributing to their advancement.
 


Check the join dates. Tanastanzio followed me here. :)

Matthew Ellard: Joined 2009
Tanastanzio: Joined 2019.

I ran the anti holocaust denial sub forum at the Skeptic Society Forum from 2009 until the movement collapsed with the archaeological survey at Treblinka II by Dr Caroline Colls. I was also posting against the few holocaust deniers who posted here from 2009. I originally studied archaeology and anthropological prehistory before becoming a tax lawyer.

Yup, hands up, I worded that poorly. What I intended was that the argument elsewhere has followed here, not that you actually followed our protagonist (which clearly you did not). Thus it is a continuation of a long thread that happened elsewhere with the baggage that inevitably goes with it. Mea culpa.
 
Like I said before Abbadon, everyone has an opinion and a mind of their own.
Sure, but that does not magically confer correctness, or credibility.

Some people cannot tolerate not being able to refute a well made argument, and disprove a case, or "debunk" a theory; and behave as stubborn mules, or as dogs with the rabies.
Do they? Well when you come up any argument at all, be sure to let me know, because what you have presented so far does not even qualify as a bad argument because it isn't an argument at all. All you have are strings of empty assertions which not only have NO supporting evidence, but fly in the face of any and all evidence we do actually have.
 
I agree on the above (except for the "ridiculous" part). The reason I provided the links is also due to lack of time to elaborate.
No you didn't. You claimed Constantine was the last emperor, we pointed out your error ,so you copied some stuff on later emperors from Wikipedia to pretend you actually knew something.
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You got me wrong Craig. This is not about thwarting or stopping the progress of science or knowledge and understanding in general; but contributing to their advancement.

No. Science is a framework, to which new information is added. In contrast you refuse to look at any hypotheses and supporting experiment from the last 200 years. :p
 
The Infinite! / God.

tazanastazio a year ago said:
GOD IS THE INFINITE AND THE INFINITE IS GOD
https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtop...=22197#p379351

tazanastazio a year ago said:
1/3 of the Angels who rebelled against God and were cast out from heaven shows), they could of course evolve an altered image by means of misusing technology (radioactivity),

I assume everyone has worked out that tazanastazio also makes up Bible stories. He refuses to quote which verse and chapter of the Bible has shift-shaping angels, escaping heaven, by misusing modern technology. :D
 
https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtop...=22197#p379351



I assume everyone has worked out that tazanastazio also makes up Bible stories. He refuses to quote which verse and chapter of the Bible has shift-shaping angels, escaping heaven, by misusing modern technology. :D

1st the link does not work.
2nd that post must have been from perhaps around 2013.
3rd I have already explained it as follows:

[B (From my post in response to Matthew Ellards, tinker-peddler argument on page 6.)

]You don't understand what I say here...? "... they could of course evolve an altered image by means of misusing technology (radioactivity), if God had allow for their species to exist for that long of a time interval..."

The clause about the 1/3 of the angels, is brought as the biblical (and if you are a believer of the Bible, perhaps allegorical) example and it is in parenthesis. It is referring to the previous clause to that. Admittedly I should have been more careful to phrase it accordingly; to account for the cliche, used-car salesman, carpetbagger lawyer tactics, of picking and choosing phrases to provide for an alternative meaning; to which tactics some people resolve, in their desperation to make a somewhat solid point. Nevertheless, most of their arguments, are aimless, invalid, hallow, cheap and even worthless. Yet, it is a blog after all, and as such, it is written sometimes in a hurry. This clause simply says, that if we or other species were to live long enough to go through a thermonuclear war, or otherwise misuse radiation WE/THEY MAY HAVE OUR/THEIR APPEARANCE ALTERED through teratogeny and other effects of radiation.

..."[/B]
 
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You do realize that's an accurate description of you, right?

I have never chased after anyone's thread across the span of a decade, attempting desperately and futilely to "debunk" their philosophy in life, with opprobrious, unprincipled, unethical, unscrupulous, devious, deceitful, foul, disrespectful, disgraceful, dishonorable, dishonest, and therefore contemptible and even shameful arguments; Neither have I ever employed a tin-horn peddler's, a tinker salesman's, a carpetbagger's and a cliche lawyer's of plugged nickel's worth, tactics.

I have a philosophy in life, namely Infinitism, and I was willing to share it. If anyone found something useful of it, fine. If not they could take whatever the had found useful from it, if anything, discard the rest and go their merry way. To each their own. No need for the self proclaimed intellectuals to disrespect anyone else, and insult anybody's intelligence with fallacies and hooliganism; as if the majority of the readers do not have a mind of their own to make their own unadulterated opinion, uninfluenced by the noise some make and the disruption some cause. Some people's behavior, is a sheer underestimate and even insult to anybody's intelligence; yet they still manage to regard themselves as civilized and as intellectuals.
 
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Matthew Ellard said:
I assume everyone has worked out that tazanastazio also makes up Bible stories. He refuses to quote which verse and chapter of the Bible has shift-shaping angels, escaping heaven, by misusing modern technology.

2nd that post must have been from perhaps around 2013.
Did you rewrite the Bible after 2013?

3rd I have already explained it as follows:
Yep. That's right. You made up a fake Bible story, mixing modern technology and angels together, to justify your stupid "God is infinities" religion. It was hilarious. :p

if God had allow for their species to exist for that long of a time interval..."
Soooooo....you think angels are a species? Where is that in the Bible.

The clause about the 1/3 of the angels, is brought as the biblical
The Bible doesn't have clauses. It isn't a contract. Didn't you know? You should read it one day.:p

(and if you are a believer of the Bible,
You are posting religious rubbish on a science based atheist skeptic forum. :eek:

Admittedly I should have been more careful to phrase it accordingly,
There is no Bible verse about radioactive angels. You made the entire story up as you have not read the Bible. :p

Try this website to learn what is in the Bible.

The Skeptic's Annotated Bible
https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
 

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