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The Trump Presidency: Part 18

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Ladewig said:
I’m not sure one could win a court case in this particular matter. This is a county of 140,000 people 1000 miles from New York City. The library asked for funds to subscribe to the online edition of The NY Times. It could be easily argued that the library budget needs to be spent on state and local news instead of national and international news with a New York City slant. After all, the vast majority of items covered by the Times can be found in other online news sources without paywalls.
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Personally, I don't find it to be particularly concerning that those guys chose not to subscribe, despite the fact that it was requested, for reasons much along those lines. The whole "I'm a supporter of President Trump, so I hate that publication" and "Fake News" lines of reasoning that were the main arguments actually presented when it came to the reasoning, however, are abhorrent. Not illegal and fairly should not be illegal, but abhorrent.
 
thaiboxerken said:
That is what could be claimed, but did they just not claim that it's because Trump called it fake news?
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First, we should be paying attention to what they're actually doing if you want to invoke legal action. They're declining to purchase a non-essential product. That's it. Their reasoning may be nonsense, but that actual action should not be met with legal consequences. On the other hand, kicking them out of their jobs there would not be amiss.
 
Aridas said:
Personally, I don't find it to be particularly concerning that those guys chose not to subscribe, despite the fact that it was requested, for reasons much along those lines. The whole "I'm a supporter of President Trump, so I hate that publication" and "Fake News" lines of reasoning that were the main arguments actually presented when it came to the reasoning, however, are abhorrent. Not illegal and fairly should not be illegal, but abhorrent.
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Agreed on all counts.

I was trying to point out how easy it would be to backpedal on the issue and assert, “we promise to never again decline requests for money for The NY Times because of our respect for President Trump. Instead will will decline the request for money for these other very legitimate reasons...”
 
Ladewig said:
An interesting legal question. If one is not taking a government salary, is one a government employee?
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IANAL but IMO if one has a government employment contract and/or are holding a government job, the level of renumeration is unimportant.
 
The Don said:
IANAL but IMO if one has a government employment contract and/or are holding a government job, the level of renumeration is unimportant.
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Does he have a government employment contract? Does he work for his father directly or for the White House?
 
Ladewig said:
Does he have a government employment contract? Does he work for his father directly or for the White House?
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Doesn't matter, Donald Trump has a government job:

Office of Government Ethics-

2635.702 Use of public office for private gain.

An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of relatives.
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It's a product and Donald Jr is a relative.
 
Ladewig said:
I read a bunch of the comments.
I was most fascinated by the President Trump supporter who challenged the liberals to “try to explain why DON is so f popular abroad but TRASHED nonstop back in America?”

I have no idea how representative that guy is, but that is another drop in the This-will-not-end-well bucket.
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I have said this before and say it again: it's really hard to find a middle ground when people live in such very different realities.

The best example is the survey that showed that a majority of Trump supporters believe that white Christian men are the most discriminated against group in the US. This survey came out literally at the time when Trump was trying to ban Muslims from entering the US on the fact that they were Muslim. And still, the real victims were white men.

It's a completely different reality. White Christian men are the most discriminated against group in the US and Trump is extremely popular abroad. Where do you even start?
 
I know it's shocking and gross. Don't blame me for that.

When we say that Lindsey Graham kisses Trump's ass, that's a figure of speech of course. Never mind that. Doctors have determined that Graham has somehow physically melded with Trump's sphincter, and subsequently achieved regular, brief detachment, allowing Sphincter Graham to conduct interviews and what have you. (They re-attatch nightly.)
 
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varwoche said:
I know it's shocking and gross. Don't blame me for that.

When we say that Lindsey Graham kisses Trump's ass, that's a figure of speech of course. Never mind that. Doctors have determined that Graham has somehow physically melded with Trump's sphincter, and subsequently achieved regular, brief detachment, allowing Graham to conduct interviews and what have you. (They re-attatch nightly.)
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Trump is the front of a human centipede.
 
Ladewig said:
An interesting legal question. If one is not taking a government salary, is one a government employee?
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If one chooses to donate his salary, he is still an employee, still being paid a salary and using it as he chooses.
 
Trump Tweets

Thank you to Kurt Volker, U.S. Envoy to Ukraine, who said in his Congressional Testimony, just released, “You asked what conversations did I have about that quid pro quo, et cetra. NONE, because I didn’t know there was a quid pro quo.” Witch Hunt!
 
pgwenthold said:
I have said this before and say it again: it's really hard to find a middle ground when people live in such very different realities.

The best example is the survey that showed that a majority of Trump supporters believe that white Christian men are the most discriminated against group in the US. This survey came out literally at the time when Trump was trying to ban Muslims from entering the US on the fact that they were Muslim. And still, the real victims were white men.

It's a completely different reality. White Christian men are the most discriminated against group in the US and Trump is extremely popular abroad. Where do you even start?
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The most recent example.

Fox News ran a story about the CIA being upset about the Obama White House being too PC

https://twitter.com/RobbieGramer/status/1192046877497348097

The complaint was that the during the Obama presidency, "they spent a lot of time in the White House doing nonstop PC [political correctness] meetings."

Someone wrote that, and actually believed it.

Instead of the reality, where the PC stands for "principles committee." You know, the main people in the administration running the country? To think that they actually met regularly!
 
pgwenthold said:
I have said this before and say it again: it's really hard to find a middle ground when people live in such very different realities.

The best example is the survey that showed that a majority of Trump supporters believe that white Christian men are the most discriminated against group in the US. This survey came out literally at the time when Trump was trying to ban Muslims from entering the US on the fact that they were Muslim. And still, the real victims were white men.

It's a completely different reality. White Christian men are the most discriminated against group in the US and Trump is extremely popular abroad. Where do you even start?
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You start by arming up and getting ready for when they try to start Civil War II. When they've exhausted all legal options, they'll turn upon the nonbelievers. They answer only to a god of vengeance. Prepare to defend yourself and your family against them.
 
CapelDodger said:
Sondland is far more engaged with reality than anyone in the White House bubble, and far more comfortable with it, given that he's independently very wealthy. I'm sure he's got more than his money's worth of enjoyment out of his time in European high society, but he's no appetite for the downside that has emerged and wants out from under. He's hardly likely to think that he owes Trump any loyalty because of what he's already enjoyed. What does Trump have to offer him now? Blood, sweat, and tears. Exit stage left, in a cloud of dust and small pebbles ... :cool:
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Pursued by a bear?
 
pgwenthold said:
The most recent example.

Fox News ran a story about the CIA being upset about the Obama White House being too PC

https://twitter.com/RobbieGramer/status/1192046877497348097

The complaint was that the during the Obama presidency, "they spent a lot of time in the White House doing nonstop PC [political correctness] meetings."

Someone wrote that, and actually believed it.

Instead of the reality, where the PC stands for "principles committee." You know, the main people in the administration running the country? To think that they actually met regularly!
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They likely were, and PC culture is a poison
 
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