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The Trump Presidency: Part 18

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“You can’t let that happen to me!” - Trump to Kentucky voters.

It happened to him.

Hey, whatever happened to ‘drink liberal tears’ guy?
 
alfaniner said:
It's so convenient that he can now recall it, after his testimony was repeatedly contradicted he was threatened with blatant perjury..
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It's impossible to prove that the meeting hadn't slipped his mind at the time but other testimony jogged his memory. An actual perjury case would depend on the balance of evidence, but that's moot now.
 
CapelDodger said:
It's impossible to prove that the meeting hadn't slipped his mind at the time but other testimony jogged his memory. An actual perjury case would depend on the balance of evidence, but that's moot now.
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I can't imagine that they would go after him for perjury at this point. He corrected the record.

Under other circumstances I might agree that it might be reasonable to pursue a perjury charge. But given the number of Trump officials who are lying in public and refusing to tell the truth under oath before an impeachment inquiry, he's been more forthcoming and honorable then the rest of them. Even if it was only to save his own skin.
 
acbytesla said:
I can't imagine that they would go after him for perjury at this point. He corrected the record.
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Thereby mooting the point most efficiently.

Under other circumstances I might agree that it might be reasonable to pursue a perjury charge.
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I said nothing regarding other circumstances so there's nothing to agree on there. I agree that there's no point in it in these circumstances - where Sondland has lanced the boil.


But given the number of Trump officials who are lying in public and refusing to tell the truth under oath before an impeachment inquiry, he's been more forthcoming and honorable then the rest of them.
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He's been forthcoming because he wants out of the whole situation, not because of honour.


Even if it was only to save his own skin.
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There's no honour in saving your own skin. There's just instinct and a plan. Sondland's plan is to leave all this behind him as painlessly as possible and spend more time with his money. Older but wiser.
 
phiwum said:
Don't count your chickens. It's, what, a 5000 vote difference? Could be a recount.
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If it even comes to a recount Trump will feel let down. It's not a good time to be Kentuckian. California can push back, but when the Wrath of Trump falls on Kentucky what's it got? Not a lot, frankly.
 
CapelDodger said:
Thereby mooting the point most efficiently.


I said nothing regarding other circumstances so there's nothing to agree on there. I agree that there's no point in it in these circumstances - where Sondland has lanced the boil.

He's been forthcoming because he wants out of the whole situation, not because of honour.

There's no honour in saving your own skin. There's just instinct and a plan. Sondland's plan is to leave all this behind him as painlessly as possible and spend more time with his money. Older but wiser.
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I really can't argue that what Sondland did was honrable. Only in comparison to the rest of the Trump administration, he was marginally better. Sondland is like the scum on the top of a septic tank. It is slightly less disgusting than the crap at the bottom.
 
acbytesla said:
I really can't argue that what Sondland did was honrable. Only in comparison to the rest of the Trump administration, he was marginally better. Sondland is like the scum on the top of a septic tank. It is slightly less disgusting than the crap at the bottom.
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Isn't he still being questioned about why he had to go to Rick Perry to to get his story straight? I think he was asked, and all he said was to jog his memory.
 
Get a load of these Florida county officials who denied digital subscription to the New York Times because Trump called it "fake news".

 
acbytesla said:
I really can't argue that what Sondland did was honrable. Only in comparison to the rest of the Trump administration, he was marginally better.
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Sondland is far more engaged with reality than anyone in the White House bubble, and far more comfortable with it, given that he's independently very wealthy. I'm sure he's got more than his money's worth of enjoyment out of his time in European high society, but he's no appetite for the downside that has emerged and wants out from under. He's hardly likely to think that he owes Trump any loyalty because of what he's already enjoyed. What does Trump have to offer him now? Blood, sweat, and tears. Exit stage left, in a cloud of dust and small pebbles ... :cool:
 
timhau said:
Trump... Jail... Trump... Jail... Will the hard choices never end? Must be tough for this really good man and great American.
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I read a bunch of the comments.
I was most fascinated by the President Trump supporter who challenged the liberals to “try to explain why DON is so f popular abroad but TRASHED nonstop back in America?”

I have no idea how representative that guy is, but that is another drop in the This-will-not-end-well bucket.
 
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