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The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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rdwight said:
As much as a number Republicans severely disliked Obama, I wouldn't support an idea put forward that they would purposely jeopardize an operation to get Bin Laden just to make him look bad. I feel the same way in this situation. Pointing to Democrats on the gang of eight and painting them in that way is a real low move and surprisingly seems to be accepted by Republicans.
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I don't now how common the portrayal of them in such a way is in the real world, but there's been a trend among some right wing science fiction writers for a while to portray Liberals as willing to sabotage military operations and get people killed because they hate the military and can't stand to have it succeed and look good to the public.
 
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Tsukasa Buddha said:
You know what we need? Another government shutdown!



Linky.
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A shutdown this time would probably hurt the GOP in a way the 2013 shutdown did not.
Pelosi and McConell apparently have come to an agreement on numbers, but no telling if Trump would accept them if they did not fund his precious wall.
Most likely immediate outcome:another CR...stopgap spending bill. There is no limit to how long the government could keep going on Continuing Resolutations . In the 80's the government keep going a full year on CRs.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

AMERICAN HERO!

(Badly photoshopped picture of Trump giving a dog a medal in link)

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1189601417469841409
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I read you post and thought “I’ll be the judge of whether or not a photoshopping is bad.”

I looked at the photo.


That’s bad.

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After the media pointed out the photoshopping, the White House announced that the photo was photoshopped.

If President Trump thought this would make for fun trolling, we have to add the Medal of Honor to the list of things he doesn’t understand.
 
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Armitage72 said:
I don't now how common the portrayal of them in such a way is in the real world, but there's been a trend among some right wing science fiction writers for a while to portray Liberals as willing to sabotage military operations and get people killed because they hate the military and can't stand to have it succeed and look good to the public.
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Beyond just the conservative press and how they are reporting on it, I haven't seen a single Republican member of the Intelligence Committee push back against the position. Actually haven't seen a Republican congress/senate representative either, although my google-fu could be off and some have.

Support through silence is their go to strategy now it seems. And this isn't something like partisan use of the committee but a much harsher claim.
 
dudalb said:
A shutdown this time would probably hurt the GOP in a way the 2013 shutdown did not.
Pelosi and McConell apparently have come to an agreement on numbers, but no telling if Trump would accept them if they did not fund his precious wall.
Most likely immediate outcome:another CR...stopgap spending bill. There is no limit to how long the government could keep going on Continuing Resolutations . In the 80's the government keep going a full year on CRs.
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If Pelosi wanted to be a total dick she could block the budget on the grounds that *insert vital reason here* just because the Republicans did as payback. She won't, though.
 
Trump judicial nominee, Lawrence Van Dyke, broke down in tears after a scathing letter from the ABA listed him as 'unqualified'. It says interviews with 60 of his peers led to the following conclusion in the letter:

Mr. VanDyke’s accomplishments are offset by the assessments of interviewees that Mr. VanDyke is arrogant, lazy, an ideologue, and lacking in knowledge of the day-to-day practice including procedural rules,” wrote William C. Hubbard, the Nelson Mullins Riley & Scarborough partner who chairs the ABA Standing Committee on the Federal Judiciary. “There was a theme that the nominee lacks humility, has an ‘entitlement’ temperament, does not have an open mind and does not always have a commitment to being candid and truthful.”
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https://www.law.com/therecorder/201...qualified-aba-rating/?slreturn=20190930195521

"...Mr. VanDyke is arrogant, lazy, an ideologue, and lacking in knowledge..."

"...the nominee lacks humility, has an ‘entitlement’ temperament, does not have an open mind and does not always have a commitment to being candid and truthful."

I thought for a minute there they were referring to Trump. Might as well have been.
 
phiwum said:
What legal requirements do you have in mind? You showed me a law that applied to covert actions, but we agree that this was not covert.
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Since you agree it was not covert, the president was legally required to advise the the intelligence committees or the "Gang of Eight". He did not.

ETA. Added the relevant law again for reference. It give two options - "normal conditions", or "covert". Trump's team failed to comply with either.
Under normal conditions, the President of the United States is required by Title 50 U.S.C. § 3091(a)(1) to "ensure that the congressional intelligence committees are kept fully and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States, including any significant anticipated intelligence activity as required by [the] title." However, under "extraordinary circumstances", when the President thinks "it is essential to limit access" to information about a covert action, 50 U.S.C. § 3093(c)(2) allows the President to limit reporting to the Gang of Eight.
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Civet said:
I hear this sort of thing a lot and I've never really agreed with it. These folks, like to the rest of the GOP, back Trump because they agree with the vast majority of his policies and rhetoric. It's why he maintains such stellar approval ratings among Republicans in anonymous polling where it takes no courage to tell the truth.
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maybe, not sure.

Sam Harris suggests that Trump has no real well thought out political ideology. He is "impressively lacking in ideology, he's just chaos of narcissism and selfishness and ignorance" and "a personality cult has formed around him".

I wonder if that for many republicans its more about them enjoying him sticking it to the Dems and the lefties than anything else. The rest are either greedy (promised more wealth and power) or scared of him.

I doubt many of them agree with his political philosophy as there really isn't any.

Sam makes the point that Trump could change all of his policies tomorrow and his base would still support him. That for me is whats so telling.
 
BadBoy said:
maybe, not sure.

Sam Harris suggests that Trump has no real well thought out political ideology. He is "impressively lacking in ideology, he's just chaos of narcissism and selfishness and ignorance" and "a personality cult has formed around him". I wonder if that for many republicans its more about them enjoying him sticking it to the Dems and the lefties than anything else. The rest are either greedy (promised more wealth and power) or scared of him. I doubt many of them agree with his political philosophy as there really isn't any.

Sam makes the point that Trump could change all of his policies tomorrow and his base would still support him. That for me is whats so telling.
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These.

Trump has an ideology: Whatever he thinks is good for him.
 
Dr. Keith said:
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Stacyhs said:
These.

Trump has an ideology: Whatever he thinks is good for him.
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This.
I really am starting to believe the theory that he never expected to be elected;he just saw running and getting the nomination as a huge publicity gimmick to prop up his troubled businesses, and was shocked when he won.
 
dudalb said:
This.
I really am starting to believe the theory that he never expected to be elected;he just saw running and getting the nomination as a huge publicity gimmick to prop up his troubled businesses, and was shocked when he won.
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I've thought that since his bloated arse came down that escalator. It was all for attention and publicity. Then he started to take off and the rallies fed his ego like nothing had before. In person adulation in such large numbers was like an opiate to him and he became just as addicted. He did't expect to win; all the polls said he wouldn't. I think he was as shocked as the rest of the country. But there it was. He was the president-elect and now he had power and attention and adulation like he'd never had before.
 
Stacyhs said:
I've thought that since his bloated arse came down that escalator. It was all for attention and publicity. Then he started to take off and the rallies fed his ego like nothing had before. In person adulation in such large numbers was like an opiate to him and he became just as addicted. He did't expect to win; all the polls said he wouldn't. I think he was as shocked as the rest of the country. But there it was. He was the president-elect and now he had power and attention and adulation like he'd never had before.
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Saying he didn't expect to win goes against the idea of his narcissism. You can say his opening bid was a ploy for publicity, but once he was legitimately in it and a possibility, I have no doubt he thought he would win. If he ever had a plan in mind for when he did win is a different matter entirely though.
 
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rdwight said:
Saying he didn't expect to win goes against the idea of his narcissism. You can say his opening bid was a ploy for publicity, but once he was legitimately in it and a possibility, I have no doubt he thought he would win. If he ever had a plan in mind for when he did win is a different matter entirely though.
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Not really. Not when you recognize the actual disorder includes severe insecurity alternating with a form of delusions of grandeur.
 
a_unique_person said:
If Pelosi wanted to be a total dick she could block the budget on the grounds that *insert vital reason here* just because the Republicans did as payback. She won't, though.
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That and it would be bad politics.

The GOP can block it however and blame the Democrats for being preoccupied with impeachment. I suspect that will happen.
 
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