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The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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Trebuchet said:
He now says he's building a border wall in Colorado.
Presumably New Mexico is going to pay for it.
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The Colorado governor had a great response:

“Well this is awkward,” Gov. Jared Polis tweeted on Wednesday. “Colorado doesn’t border Mexico. Good thing Colorado now offers free full day kindergarten so our kids can learn basic geography.”
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If George Carlin was still alive I'd say he should sue Trump for stealing one of his best comedy bits.
 
TofuFighter said:
We should all be pleased that a republican lawmaker has spoken out against one of trump's latest tweets:
"To call anybody human scum is beneath the office of the presidency. You can't say that, right? You're the president. You have different standards," said Rep. Adam Kinzinger, an Illinois Republican.

That said, I think some posters on the forum have probably used this term before and no one got upset about it...
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Well, I think you are right. However, don't you think there should be a difference between what some posters on an internet forum can say, and what the president of ... basically any country ... can say, in full view of the whole world?

Hans
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I think Trump knows when he's pulling a con. He might believe he's the greatest but he's knows damn well when he says no quid pro quo it's a lie. Maybe after time he changes to believing X wasn't quid pro quo because of Y, or he believes he was clever enough to get away with it and no one can prove otherwise. But some of these lies are clearly willful.
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It wasn't a QUID PRO QUO But if you want these missiles, I need you to do a favor for me. That's different. See, if it was quid pro quo, we would have said it. Since we didn't, it isn't. Got it?
 
Ziggurat said:
It's stupid hyperbole. But I don't find it offensive because of the word "lynch", and neither did almost everyone else when anyone else did the same thing until Trump decided to do it.
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This is a lie. There was widespread condemnation of Thomas using the phrase “high-tech lynching “ when he used it. The CNN opinion piece is an author using a known phrase to emphasize the wrongness of the attacks on a person.
 
jimbob said:
By pointing out the consequences of their arguments, they have actually harmed their case.
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Yeah. I don't think the slippery slope argument went over well. The other problems
with the President's argument besides the fact that nowhere in the Constitution does it say that states cannot investigate crimes that involve the President. It's also not in the DOJ memos on the subject. Trump isn't claiming executive privilege. It's not really a burden on POTUS since he isn't being subpoenaed the financial institutions he did business with are the ones providing it. And even though the lawyer argued how horrible this would be if they did this to an ordinary citizen, third parties have bedn providing this information to courts for a very long time. This would be a massive expansion of Presidential rights.

What I'm concerned about is a Republican biased court will come up with some narrow basis to reject the subpoenas so it only applies to Trump and not future Presidents. Like they did in Bush v Gore.
 
Norman Alexander said:
And it would be precious to see their faces when SCOTUS says "Sorry, guys, but the law clearly says he CAN be prosecuted."

I suspect these guys are mixing up what COULD be done with what SHOULD be done.

The DoJ have made it an internal policy that they will try not to prosecute a sitting president. It's what they think SHOULD be done...by the DoJ.

But the law of the land is that nobody is above the law, president included. So he can, legally, be prosecuted by someone. It is what COULD be done. And that is a different and most newsworthy situation.
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And that’s another reason the 25th Amendment exists.

If the president is in jail he can no longer execute the duties of the Office.
 
Trump Tweets

The Federal Reserve is derelict in its duties if it doesn’t lower the Rate and even, ideally, stimulate. Take a look around the World at our competitors. Germany and others are actually GETTING PAID to borrow money. Fed was way too fast to raise, and way too slow to cut!

Thank you to House Republicans for being tough, smart, and understanding in detail the greatest Witch Hunt in American History. It has been going on since long before I even got Elected (the Insurance Policy!). A total Scam!
 
acbytesla said:
It wasn't a QUID PRO QUO But if you want these missiles, I need you to do a favor for me. That's different. See, if it was quid pro quo, we would have said it. Since we didn't, it isn't. Got it?
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Right. Like he didn't promise to release his tax returns, even though he said he would multiple times on the campaign trail. He didn't say 'promise', so it doesn't count.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Thank you to House Republicans for being tough, smart, and understanding in detail the greatest Witch Hunt in American History. It has been going on since long before I even got Elected (the Insurance Policy!). A total Scam!
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Ok, I know Trump's spelling, grammar, knowledge, integrity and just about everything about him is poor. But does anyone know what exactly he's trying to say here?

I assume he was referring to republicans breaking the laws that they were supposed to uphold by interfering with impeachment hearings, but his wording seems more than a little... strange.
 
Belz... said:
What did they say that only applied there?
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The whole case essentially. The US Supreme Court overturned on a 5 to 4 decision the ruling of the Florida Supreme Court which allowed for a recount of the votes in 4 Florida counties. There is no valid legal reasoning that can be applied to future cases. The conservatives on the US Supreme Court just wanted to stop the court ordered recount.
 
Susheel said:
I think the reason trumpp keeps repeating "no quid quo pro" is because he is not really aware of what it actually means and since he is too lazy to look it up and too much of an arrogant doofus to ask what it means he would rather wallow in this ignorance. And how can he have done something when he has no idea what that thing is? This is also why in the very same breath he will imply that he did ask Ukraine for help. Because that is how he does business and "people have always said" what a great business man he is.
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I reject this. What he's actually doing is much the same as what he's done with stuff like the term "fake news." He knows that just about nothing he calls fake news is actually factually incorrect or otherwise wrong and has made that clear a number of times. He's just using his total redefinition of the term that renders it virtually powerless, while playing on the inherent legitimacy of the language to make it easy to fool those already well primed to be tricked on that front and thus making the gaslighting he's engaging in so much more effective.

Fast Eddie B said:
The Republican antics yesterday, storming a lawful congressional deposition, sicken and alarm me.
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As they certainly should for all of us. But then... the direction that the GOP has been heading for a while has been all too sickeningly clear. Nazis are invoked because they're a powerful image of one of the greatest horrors that supremacism combined with a similar situation has wrought and because many of the tactics being used are the exact same. It's not hard to poke at a number of the important factors, really, most of which have their effects diluted to some extent because of the very real differences between pre-Nazi Germany and the current US, but there's still a lot of reason to be seriously concerned as that seems to be just slowing the trend, rather than preventing or stopping it. Until those important similarities are dealt with, it's not likely that it'll stop, either, I think.

acbytesla said:
It wasn't a QUID PRO QUO But if you want these missiles, I need you to do a favor for me. That's different. See, if it was quid pro quo, we would have said it. Since we didn't, it isn't. Got it?
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No quid pro quo? Right, it was open and obvious extortion.

In other news...

ICE wipes surveillance video that showed final days of trans asylum-seeker who died under custody

ICE is out of control.
 
acbytesla said:
The whole case essentially. The US Supreme Court overturned on a 5 to 4 decision the ruling of the Florida Supreme Court which allowed for a recount of the votes in 4 Florida counties. There is no valid legal reasoning that can be applied to future cases. The conservatives on the US Supreme Court just wanted to stop the court ordered recount.
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Thus, in the end, fairly certainly outright stealing the victory for the Republicans, especially when looked at in combination with the various other GOP shenanigans, like the voter purge in heavily Democratic areas that purged quite a lot of Democrats on the basis that their names were similar to that of a felon's, rather than any actual legal basis. Similarly, the rank hypocrisy and double standards that Republican Party representatives employed in just about everything surrounding the recount.
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
The Republican antics yesterday, storming a lawful congressional deposition, sicken and alarm me.
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I heard an assertion that they also took photos of documents in an effort to find the name of the whistleblower.

If I were a Democrat on the committee, I would make up a name and type up some documents indicating that this fictional name was the whistleblower. The next time the Republicans engage in this thuggish behavior, let them photograph the documents. Once they leak the name, point out where they got it from.
 
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