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The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29

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Vixen said:
To quote your hero: 'VERY SAD! Cofveve'
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You are the one who believes she is a super-hero that got away with murder,
- able to clean her and Sollecitos DNA and leave Guedes
- able to rig the highest courts in Italy and Europe
- able to convince scientists and media of her case

We think she is just a normal, innocent person that was wrongfully convicted.
 
whoanellie said:
This is rich coming from someone who has posted here that DNA is a protein and that cells are extracted from their nuclei. If any one wants the links I can provide them.
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Did Vixen and her chums actually try to argue DNA is a protein and cells are extracted from their nuclei? This can't be real.
 
NotEvenWrong said:
Did Vixen and her chums actually try to argue DNA is a protein and cells are extracted from their nuclei? This can't be real.
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No, it was clumsy wording. I was trying to convey that DNA is found in protein (referring to bodily fluids, such as greasy sweat from sebaceous glands). It gave people a chance to twist my words rather than address the issue of how Raff's DNA came to be on the bra-clasp.
 
Vixen said:
No, it was clumsy wording. I was trying to convey that DNA is found in protein (referring to bodily fluids, such as greasy sweat from sebaceous glands). It gave people a chance to twist my words rather than address the issue of how Raff's DNA came to be on the bra-clasp.
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...... as well as two or three other male haplotypes which one convicting judge said came from the victim's girlfriends.

How on earth did all this get on to the single hook on the clasp, not the clasp itself?





Could it have been the owner of these obviously dirty forensic gloves?
 
Vixen said:
No, it was clumsy wording. I was trying to convey that DNA is found in protein (referring to bodily fluids, such as greasy sweat from sebaceous glands). It gave people a chance to twist my words rather than address the issue of how Raff's DNA came to be on the bra-clasp.
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Sure; it was 'clumsy wording'. Uh huh. Just how did the DNA of at least 2 other men and he DNA of other women come to be on that bra clasp, Vix? Did they all touch that clasp? Just how many people were touching that clasp and why?
 
NotEvenWrong said:
Did Vixen and her chums actually try to argue DNA is a protein and cells are extracted from their nuclei? This can't be real.
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When I was three I lied to my mom. She asked me if I'd taken a cookie. I said I had not.

When she showed me the video of me stealing the cookie, I told her my lie had been, "clumsy wording."

My mom said, "I guess it was!"
 
Bill Williams said:
When I was three I lied to my mom. She asked me if I'd taken a cookie. I said I had not.

When she showed me the video of me stealing the cookie, I told her my lie had been, "clumsy wording."
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When I was three, my reaction to being shown such a video would have been, "Wow, where did my parents suddenly get the tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment needed to record their own TV show?"

I guess I'm a bit older than you...
 
Myriad said:
When I was three, my reaction to being shown such a video would have been, "Wow, where did my parents suddenly get the tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment needed to record their own TV show?"

I guess I'm a bit older than you...
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Both parents were high value CIA assets, with connections to high tech stuff no one talked about.

(When this claim that my parents were in the CIA is proved wrong, I'll just claim it had been "clumsy wording".)
 
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Vixen said:
No, it was clumsy wording. I was trying to convey that DNA is found in protein (referring to bodily fluids, such as greasy sweat from sebaceous glands). It gave people a chance to twist my words rather than address the issue of how Raff's DNA came to be on the bra-clasp.
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This vixplanation doesn't help your case.
 
Vixen said:
No, it was clumsy wording. I was trying to convey that DNA is found in protein (referring to bodily fluids, such as greasy sweat from sebaceous glands). It gave people a chance to twist my words rather than address the issue of how Raff's DNA came to be on the bra-clasp.
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Hahaha doubling down on another fail, I see! "Vixplanation" LOLOLOL :D

You really know nothing WHATSOEVER about this subject (or, for that matter, about almost all science, apparently). DNA is not "found in protein", Vixen. DNA provides the instructions for assembling proteins, Vixen. And DNA ultimately provides the instructions for how proteins and other molecules are assembled into different cells of the body, Vixen. And each of those cells (apart from red blood cells and those of sperm and eggs) also contains a full copy of the entity's DNA within its nucleus, Vixen.

Nobody "twisted (your) words", Vixen. But hilariously, in trying to invent a "Vixplanation" for how your words were twisted, you only succeeded in doubling down on a demonstration of your own ignorance. Classic times, indeed :) :thumbsup:


ETA: Oh, and given that the DNA of at least two different other men (who remain unidentified, who were not Guede, who were not Kercher's boyfriend, and who (obviously) did not live in the girls' cottage) were also found on that single tiny metal hook via (equally obviously) secondary- or tertiary-transfer contamination, it must necessarily be held that the DNA of Sollecito - which was also found at LCN levels on that tiny hook - cannot be considered in any way as reliable evidence that Sollecito ever came into direct contact with that tiny bra hook. Does that answer your question?
 
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Vixen on biochemistry:
"Likewise, DNA, being a protein, doesn't usually stick unless there are moist or oily conditions, such as saliva, perspiration, moist skin cells, blood and other bodily fluids."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11175075#post11175075
Vixen on cell biology:
"She extracted the cell from its nucleus"
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11418330#post11418330
Vixen on classical mechanics:
"If thrown from outside, the impact on the window/shutter (assuming it can get through the gap of the outter shutters, which Massei accept it could not have) would be weight of the object times distance travelled, which is say, 10lb x six feet (72")= 720lbs (kinetic energy) divided by the distance it comes to a halt."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11614727#post11614727
Vixen on dimensional analysis:
"In a foot system, it is OK to convert into inches, as the distance at 'stop' level is often a small fraction of the distance travelled, hence it makes sense to convert 6 feet into 72 inches, if the stop distance is a fraction of an inch. (This is just a nicetie, and of course, not mandatory.) the weight of the rock was expressed in lbs for similar reason."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11615129#post11615129
Vixen on IT
"I am sure a first year IT student would have no problem unscrewing the back and taking out the motherboard and frying the disk."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12020274#post12020274
Vixen:
“I am a mathematician and a scientist.”
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11651593#post11651593
 
whoanellie said:
Vixen on biochemistry:
"Likewise, DNA, being a protein, doesn't usually stick unless there are moist or oily conditions, such as saliva, perspiration, moist skin cells, blood and other bodily fluids."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11175075#post11175075
Vixen on cell biology:
"She extracted the cell from its nucleus"
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11418330#post11418330
Vixen on classical mechanics:
"If thrown from outside, the impact on the window/shutter (assuming it can get through the gap of the outter shutters, which Massei accept it could not have) would be weight of the object times distance travelled, which is say, 10lb x six feet (72")= 720lbs (kinetic energy) divided by the distance it comes to a halt."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11614727#post11614727
Vixen on dimensional analysis:
"In a foot system, it is OK to convert into inches, as the distance at 'stop' level is often a small fraction of the distance travelled, hence it makes sense to convert 6 feet into 72 inches, if the stop distance is a fraction of an inch. (This is just a nicetie, and of course, not mandatory.) the weight of the rock was expressed in lbs for similar reason."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11615129#post11615129
Vixen on IT
"I am sure a first year IT student would have no problem unscrewing the back and taking out the motherboard and frying the disk."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12020274#post12020274
Vixen:
“I am a mathematician and a scientist.”
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11651593#post11651593
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:D:D:D

Vixen's latest double-down double-fail on DNA and protein is, in a very real sense, akin to someone writing something like this:

"When I wrote that the Green Bay Packers is a famous basketball team, that was just clumsy wording. I was trying to convey that a famous basketball team is found within the Green Bay Packers."
 
whoanellie said:
Vixen on biochemistry:
"Likewise, DNA, being a protein, doesn't usually stick unless there are moist or oily conditions, such as saliva, perspiration, moist skin cells, blood and other bodily fluids."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11175075#post11175075
Vixen on cell biology:
"She extracted the cell from its nucleus"
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11418330#post11418330
Vixen on classical mechanics:
"If thrown from outside, the impact on the window/shutter (assuming it can get through the gap of the outter shutters, which Massei accept it could not have) would be weight of the object times distance travelled, which is say, 10lb x six feet (72")= 720lbs (kinetic energy) divided by the distance it comes to a halt."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11614727#post11614727
Vixen on dimensional analysis:
"In a foot system, it is OK to convert into inches, as the distance at 'stop' level is often a small fraction of the distance travelled, hence it makes sense to convert 6 feet into 72 inches, if the stop distance is a fraction of an inch. (This is just a nicetie, and of course, not mandatory.) the weight of the rock was expressed in lbs for similar reason."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11615129#post11615129
Vixen on IT
"I am sure a first year IT student would have no problem unscrewing the back and taking out the motherboard and frying the disk."
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12020274#post12020274
Vixen:
“I am a mathematician and a scientist.”
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11651593#post11651593
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whoanellie, thanks for posting these entertaining highlights.

There is a great depth of humorous nonsense in Vixen's posts on the science relevant to this case.
 
NotEvenWrong said:
Did Vixen and her chums actually try to argue DNA is a protein and cells are extracted from their nuclei? This can't be real.
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We have seen quite a few LOL gems from Vixen. An example is that Rudy had raped Meredith which was proved by Rudy's DNA in Meredith's vagina. Vixen argued that Amanda and Raffaele felt it necessary to return to the cottage to stage a rape despite the fact Rudy had already raped Meredith.
 
Vixen said:
No, it was clumsy wording. I was trying to convey that DNA is found in protein (referring to bodily fluids, such as greasy sweat from sebaceous glands). It gave people a chance to twist my words rather than address the issue of how Raff's DNA came to be on the bra-clasp.
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FYI Vixen, DNA is not "found in protein". "protein" does not mean "bodily fluids". Sebaceous glands produce sebum which it seems is made up of triglycerides, free fatty acids, wax esters, squalene, cholesterol esters, and cholesterol. All of those are lipids and none of them are either DNA or protein. This is not a matter of clumsy wording. This is a matter of you being way, way out of your depth. kemo sabe?
 
Vixen said:
No, it was clumsy wording. I was trying to convey that DNA is found in protein (referring to bodily fluids, such as greasy sweat from sebaceous glands). It gave people a chance to twist my words rather than address the issue of how Raff's DNA came to be on the bra-clasp.
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Vixen,
Now now. This is the internet and there is a record of the things you write. whoanellie generously provided a link to your original statement:

"Likewise, DNA, being a protein, doesn't usually stick unless there are moist or oily conditions, such as saliva, perspiration, moist skin cells, blood and other bodily fluids."

So this is like wrong in every way possible. If you extract DNA from a large enough mass of cells and precipitate it, it literally looks and has the texture of snot. It sticks to everything. That's why there are such rigorous cleaning and decontamination procedures in molecular biology labs. One tiny sub-nanogram of DNA can and will stick to everything and act as a template for all these forensic tests. That's why there are multiple contributors on Meredith's clasp -- it was contaminated because it wasn't handled right.

And as others have said, even in your "corrected" statement DNA is not found in protein. It provides the template to encode RNA --> protein. So uh wtf are you talking about.

I don't understand why you would lie about your original statement regarding DNA given that there is a record on here of your exact words, and we've determined you aren't a pathological liar. Since you aren't a pathological liar, then why are you pathologically lying? Isn't that she-devil Amanda Knox the pathological liar, as you claim? Or is it someone else.......?
 
NotEvenWrong said:
I don't understand why you would lie about your original statement regarding DNA given that there is a record on here of your exact words, and we've determined you aren't a pathological liar. Since you aren't a pathological liar, then why are you pathologically lying? Isn't that she-devil Amanda Knox the pathological liar, as you claim? Or is it someone else.......?
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It is controversial among psychologists if there is a distinction to be made between compulsive and pathological lying. The former tends to be lying out of habit, and the latter tends to be lying to create a narrative of self aggrandizement.

This thread is far from being a clinical setting, and a licensed professional would not attempt such a diagnosis unless they'd studied someone in such a controlled, extended situation.

Be that as it is, it **is** strange that someone would (as you imply) **record** their ignorance, and then double down on claims that they'd never said such things, or claim it had been "clumsy wording".

The best thing, IMO? Such lunacy completely destroys the usefulness of this thread. I say that meaning that it is a good thing to be destroyed.

I'm not sure what it says about those of us who remain, but who in their right mind, me included, would participate in this lunacy?
 
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