The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29

[Stacyhs]

Read the court transcripts of the case for yourself. As of the time, Guede had no convictions. He was convicted in retrospect after his murder arrest of handling stolen property.

Guede was caught red handed with stolen property and was hauled into the Milan police station. There are conflicting claims as to who was responsible for his being released and shipped back to Perugia.

The nursery proprietor confirmed that he entered by using a key given him by a staff member who was latterly sacked. She confirmed the lock to the nursery was faulty and anybody could walk in.

False. Del Prato suspected but never confirmed he was given a key by a staff member.

Del Prato suspected he might have gotten a key to the nursery school from one of her employees who frequented the Milan club scene.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/31/opinion/burleigh-amanda-knox-verdict/index.html

And please, don't try and claim this is only what Burleigh said as your very own Slick Pete said pretty much the same thing only with a bit of a twist:

Maria Del Prato conceded that Guede probably had a key loaned to him by one of her staff

(TJMK)

In no dictionary will you find "suspected" or "probably" as synonyms for "confirmed".

It shows how brainwashed you are by the PR that you did not know this.

It shows how ill-informed you are of the facts that you did not know this.

BTW Rudy had in his possession a glass-breaking hammer, of the type found on public transport or in your car tool kit. Thus, he wouldn't bother with an irregularly-shaped unwieldy 10kg boulder to smash a window three metres up or two metres ahead - if from he car-park -, (forewarning anybody inside by a good ten minutes) before shinning up a sheer 13 foot wall, when he had his lightweight aluminium glass breaking hammer in his backpack by that time.

Yes, I know about the glass breaking tool; I'm the one who brought it up.

You finally figured it out! In order to break the glass using the hammer, he'd have had to be standing on the grate below the window and placing it directly on the glass. If anyone had responded to the noise caused by the breaking glass, he would have had to jump down and either run up the steep weed covered embankment or run all the way around the cottage to escape. It was much more logical to stand on the parking parapet which gave him a quick and easy avenue of escape up the driveway if anyone responded from inside. An experienced burglar like Guede could see that. Hell, even a none-too-bright person could figure that one out.

I see you're back to the unclimbable "sheer 13 foot wall"...the one the video shows a guy climbing with ease in about 5 seconds.

Just why would Guede even have a glass breaking tool in his backpack? He didn't own a car. Think reeeeeeeeal hard and maybe you can come up with a reason.

"an irregularly-shaped unwieldy 10kg boulder"

ROTFLMAO! That's 22 lbs. The 'boulder' weighed 10 lbs, not kilograms. Do you seriously believe an athletic young man cannot throw a 10 lb. rock 6 feet directly across?

 

[Stacyhs]

It could be Sweden.

Only the west side of Finland goes for red. East is typically grey.

Is the west side of Finland not "in Finland"?

You are no Sherlock Holmes.
More of a 'Wat????' 'sun

No, that's Mignini you're thinking of.

 

[NotEvenWrong]

Please point out the italian word for "umpteen".

Vixen has been lying about this long enough that it is part of the guilter fantasy narrative. She probably believes that the phrase "umpteen lies" is actually in the court documents, it's been repeated by her and the PMF posters so many times. If you were to get her to somehow challenge this in her head, it could cause a psychological meltdown. Remember, Vixen has been at this for 12 years, and Amanda (and that one Raffaele guy, but who cares about him) have been definitely acquitted by the highest authorities based on all the facts and forensic evidence. 12 years. Think about that.

But Vixen's not a pathological liar, just to be clear.

 

[TruthCalls]

Read the court transcripts of the case for yourself. As of the time, Guede had no convictions. He was convicted in retrospect after his murder arrest of handling stolen property. The nursery proprietor confirmed that he entered by using a key given him by a staff member who was latterly sacked. She confirmed the lock to the nursery was faulty and anybody could walk in.

It shows how brainwashed you are by the PR that you did not know this.

BTW Rudy had in his possession a glass-breaking hammer, of the type found on public transport or in your car tool kit. Thus, he wouldn't bother with an irregularly-shaped unwieldy 10kg boulder to smash a window three metres up or two metres ahead - if from he car-park -, (forewarning anybody inside by a good ten minutes) before shinning up a sheer 13 foot wall, when he had his lightweight aluminium glass breaking hammer in his backpack by that time.

From her court testimony:

DEFENSE: Did he have an excuse, was he surprised?

WITNESS: He was very calm, the thing that struck me was that he was very calm very relaxed, he seemed like it was only natural being in someone else’s home and immediately I said to him, I almost shouted "what are you doing here?" and he said "no, no be calm relax, I only came to sleep because I didn’t know where to go" and I asked him questions such as "but who are you? Where are you from? Who told you to come here?" and he answered "I was at the central station and I didn’t know where to sleep and I asked a young man who told me for fifty euros to come and sleep here". Obviously I never believed this story.
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DEFENSE: Instead going back to the answer Guede gave you about this fifty euros which he said he gave to someone to let him sleep there?

WITNESS: He said he gave the money to a person but who had suggested to come here because it was very difficult to find somewhere to sleep in Milan and he wouldn’t have found a place anywhere and so suggested to come to the nursery for fifty euros.

DEFENSE: And did you believe this story?

WITNESS: No, also because I asked him who this person was and he said he didn’t know what nationality he was, it seemed made up, an excuse...

Not brainwashed, Vixen, educated - and not falling for your BS. The proprietor, Maria Del Prato, never once confirmed or even suggested he entered by using a key. I also find no evidence of a staff member who was subsequently fired. From what I can tell, this is just another of your fictitious stories pulled from your nether region.

I find it amusing that I ask you for a cite and you suggest I read the court transcripts. Of course, I had, on several occasions and I didn't recall what you were claiming, but to be thorough I went back and read them again. And how ironic that the very cite you offer proves you are lying. This isn't quite as egregious a contradiction as your claiming there was no security bars on the window and then posting a link to a photo showing the bars, but it's close.

Guede had the hammer in his backpack when he was caught in the school. There is no evidence he had such a hammer with him on the night he killed Meredith. As for the rest of your nonsense, I find it colorful but insulting that you'd think anyone here would be impressed by it. The rock was a normal rock, not irregularly shaped, and there is nothing unwieldy about a rock that size and weight. He did not need to "shinning up a sheer 13 foot wall", he merely climbed up the ladder - er, security bars - covering the window below his point of entrance. By the time he got to the top of that ladder the window sill was mid-chest height. But nonetheless, I'm reasonably sure he would have tossed the rock from the driveway, a couple of meters away from the window and from where he could run away quickly if someone reacted to the window breaking, so how easy or challenging it would be to climb up holding the rock is a moot point.

 

[TruthCalls]

I have news for you: Guede has NEVER been convicted of burglary or 'breaking and entering'.

You've been brainwashed!

I never said he was, but regardless, not being convicted of burglary doesn't mean he wasn't guilty of it. He was in the school when he had no right being there. That's what we call breaking in, regardless of what lame excuse he gave for being there. And he had school property in his backpack. That's what we call stealing.

I get you're a Guede apologist, but the facts ARE the facts, no matter how hard you try to sugarcoat them.

 

[Bill Williams]

I get you're a Guede apologist, but the facts ARE the facts, no matter how hard you try to sugarcoat them.

And yet Vixen will continue, never acknowledging being caught in an outright lie.

 

[TruthCalls]

Wow, you really are ignorant of this case if you didn't know about this young woman who informed the police of Knox' 'prank' believing it to be information they should know about. Knox only mentioned it because she knew someone had grassed (attack being the best form of defence). Your reading comprehension skills are equivalent to revisionism. Read this bit again:



What bit about 'distress caused' don't you understand.

Or do you like Knox think it hilarious to haze others?

You claimed Amanda was "forced to apologize" .. how does "distress caused" translate into "forced to apologize"??

And since you've been so busy making stories up the past 24 hours I hope you won't be offended if you were asked to offer some evidence of this "young woman who informed the police"? You see, a prank is a prank. It is done ALL THE TIME in colleges and elsewhere. And anyone even remotely aware of what this prank - done by Amanda AND OTHERS - was would know it wasn't even remotely related to the events that took place at the cottage on the evening of 1 Nov. And while you nutters might be desperate enough to want this prank to be something more than it was, I seriously doubt anyone else would have given it a moment's thought. So while it could be possible someone informed the police of the prank, until I see some evidence of that (NOT holding my breath) I will assume this is yet just another one of your fabled stories.

Oh, and btw, a prank is a practical joke. Yes, it is intended to be funny, although not always funny for the person it is done to. A hazing is quite another matter. Hazing is a "humiliating and sometimes dangerous initiation rituals". It's interesting how you think you can interchange the terms prank and haze, as if they were the same thing.

 

[Stacyhs]

I never said he was, but regardless, not being convicted of burglary doesn't mean he wasn't guilty of it. He was in the school when he had no right being there. That's what we call breaking in, regardless of what lame excuse he gave for being there. And he had school property in his backpack. That's what we call stealing.

I get you're a Guede apologist, but the facts ARE the facts, no matter how hard you try to sugarcoat them.

Let's not forget Tramontano who caught Guede in his apartment on Sept 1. When Guede found the door locked, he threatened him with...gasp!...a knife before making his escape. Tramontano found..again, GASP!...money and his 3 credit cards missing. He recognized Guede a few days later at Domus and had him thrown out.

 

[Vixen]

Let's not forget Tramontano who caught Guede in his apartment on Sept 1. When Guede found the door locked, he threatened him with...gasp!...a knife before making his escape. Tramontano found..again, GASP!...money and his 3 credit cards missing. He recognized Guede a few days later at Domus and had him thrown out.

Glory hunter.

 

[Bill Williams]

Glory hunter.

I don't know what this means.

I do know what it is to claim that someone had been given a key when they hadn't...

It's a lie.

 

[Stacyhs]

Glory hunter.

Bwaaaahaaahaaaa! No, there were T's girlfriend and T's co-workers at the bar who could verify what T said about G and that he was thrown out...at the beginning of SEPTEMBER. "Glory hunters" would more aptly apply to Quintavalle and Koko. Really, Vix, use some common sense here.

 

[bagels]

Rudy Guede actually uses some of his encounter with breaking into Tramontano's apartment for his "a weird stranger came in and killed Meredith while I was on the toilet" story. Such as grabbing a chair and using it as a weapon.

 

[TruthCalls]

I don't know what this means.

I do know what it is to claim that someone had been given a key when they hadn't...

It's a lie.

I would guess it's Vixen's way of suggesting he made the whole story up to get some unjustified 'glory'. Odd though, when it was suggested that perhaps this could be the motive for Quintavalle, Curatolo or Capezzali, people like Vixen scoff at the idea that someone would do such a thing. Vixen wouldn't be guilty of having a double standard, would she?

Of course, Tramontano immediately tried to file a report with the police, he didn't wait months for a reporter to nudge him before making the claim. And Tramontano did have someone with him who witnessed the same thing, unlike the others, who's experience wasn't shared by anyone else even though in each case there were plenty of other people who would have had the chance.

But, you know, Vixen is open, honest and unbias to a fault so clearly we should gain from her insight.

 

[Welshman]

I hate to break it to you but even the Marasca-Bruno court declared that Knox and Raff lied 'umpteen times'. They lied again and again and again. Indeed, Raff provided five different alibis. A false alibi in a court of law is seen as material evidence (against you). He declined to be questioned in the witness box.

Knox tried to get gullible people like yourself to donate towards her wedding. Sucker! Didn't tell you she was already married. What kind of sociopath is that?

Knox also broke in and ransacked a pal's apartment and was was forced to apologise for what she labels a 'prank'. So how was she different from Guede accessing the nursery scholl in which a staff member admitted giving him the key to so that he could crash after a party in Milan (or so he claimed). Fact is, he wasn't convicted of breaking and entering for this proven reason (someone from the nursery gave him the key).

The courts ruled - even Marasca-Bruno - that the burglary was staged and we all know who had previous experience of faking a burglary.

Knox only admitted to this because someone from Seattle (the Kazakhstani lady she later caught staring at her in a Seattle restaurant) grassed on her by informing the police of her known nastiness.

As Vixen yet again attacks Amanda for lying, could Vixen answer the questions I raised in my previous post

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12837595#post12837595

If the case against Amanda was such a slam dunk and the facts were so against the case for innocence and Amanda would have to resort to lying to argue for her innocence, why do PGP have to resort to lying to argue the case for Amanda's guilt and the prosecution had to resort to lying as can be seen from the links below? Could Vixen tell how the supposed lies told by Amanda compare with the number of lies told by Vixen in her posts. If Amanda is such a prolific liar as Vixen claims, this should be easy enough to do.

Falsehoods in PGP fake wiki

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/anti-amanda-knox-deceptive-wiki/

Falsehoods told by Vixen

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11938562#post11938562

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11942852#post11942852

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11598412#post11598412

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11427461#post11427461

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11951893#post11951893

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11982023#post11982023

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12107306#post12107306

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12200863#post12200863

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12297573#post12297573

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12297575#post12297575

Falsehoods told by the police/prosecution

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/raffaeles-kitchen-knife/
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/contamination-labwork-coverup/
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/meredith-kercher-perjury-corruption/
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/evidence-destroyed/
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/blood-evidence-downstairs-apartment/
https://knoxsollecito.wordpress.com...old-about-amanda-knox-and-raffaele-sollecito/
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/myths.html
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11071314#post11071314

 

[Stacyhs]

Wow, you really are ignorant of this case if you didn't know about this young woman who informed the police of Knox' 'prank' believing it to be information they should know about. Knox only mentioned it because she knew someone had grassed (attack being the best form of defence). Your reading comprehension skills are equivalent to revisionism. Read this bit again:

Talk about revisionism! YOU claimed Knox "broke into the apartment"; it wasn't someone else's apartment nor did she 'break in'. Or do you think Knox didn't have a key to the house she shared with the "victim"? Both your claims are false so you try and spin it. FAIL!

What evidence do you have of exactly WHO told the police about the prank? Only credible sources accepted. That does not include Quennell or Krissy A.

What bit about 'distress caused' don't you understand.

You claimed Knox was forced to apologize. The target of the prank was upset so Knox apologized on her own volition. Or do you think Knox was held at gunpoint until she was 'forced' to apologize?

Or do you like Knox think it hilarious to haze others?

You don't even know what a hazing is:

force (a new or potential recruit to the military, a college fraternity, etc.) to perform strenuous, humiliating, or dangerous tasks

It was an April Fool/s day prank. And I'll also remind you that it wasn't just Knox who pulled the prank.

Do try and get things straight and stop just making crap up.

ETA: ninja'd by TC

 

[Stacyhs]

I'm still laughing at Vixen claiming that red is only used in the west of Finland as if that's not 'in Finland'. The house in Krissy Allen's page is definitely the famous red used in both Sweden and Finland (but only, apparently, that part of Finland that isn't 'in Finland'.)

 

[Stacyhs]

I'm still laughing that the house/barn in Krissy Allen's page is the famous red used in Sweden and Finland that is, apparently, only used in the part of Finland that isn't "in Finland"

 

[whoanellie]

I'm still laughing that the house/barn in Krissy Allen's page is the famous red used in Sweden and Finland that is, apparently, only used in the part of Finland that isn't "in Finland"

It sure doesn't look like a barn to me

 

[Bill Williams]

You claimed Knox was forced to apologize. The target of the prank was upset so Knox apologized on her own volition. Or do you think Knox was held at gunpoint until she was 'forced' to apologize?

You don't even know what a hazing is:

It was an April Fool/s day prank. And I'll also remind you that it wasn't just Knox who pulled the prank.

Do try and get things straight and stop just making crap up.

First ever pic of the April Fools prank, acc. to the nutters......

 

[TomG]

There's always Nick van der Leek!

If you want Van der Leek you can have him by the bucketload on his recent 3.5hr. epic on the case. YouTube is where all the real crap goes down against Amanda. Rag is the guardian of these types of videos, if anyone dares to make any kind of criticism he comes scuttling out of the woodwork waving his lightsaber. Anyway, IMO YouTube is the real battleground as far as the case is concerned. Rag hasn't got past me or Francisco yet, y'all need to get your asses over there and kick the living crap out of Leek. Vixen is a waste of keystrokes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUGeP10aBb0&t=460s

Hoots