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BobTheCoward said:
What happened to the 317 members and the coalition they formed with DUP?

They got 289 votes today.
Where did they go?
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You really haven't been following this, have you? They chucked 21 MP's out of the party for voting for the bill to prevent a no-deal Brexit. Those MPs are now independents, and the Conservative party is well short of having a majority.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
You really haven't been following this, have you? They chucked 21 MP's out of the party for voting for the bill to prevent a no-deal Brexit. Those MPs are now independents, and the Conservative party is well short of having a majority.

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No, I'm not really following. I live a few thousand miles away and no one would describe me as an anglophile.

Why don't the other parties want to suspend for the conference? Are they doing something important? Is it sticking it to the PM? Would having the conference while suspended provide some strategic advantage to conservatives others wish to avoid?


ETA: (Francophile, actually)
 
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Parliament have just returned to work after being unlawfully suspended against their will. You can't really blame them for refusing to immediately suspend themselves for the convenience of the bugger responsible.
 
Mojo said:
You think they’ll be going to the conference of a party that’s kicked them out? See the observation from Mr Morganfield.
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I don't see why you would impair the ability of others to go to a party you can't attend other than being small.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I don't see why you would impair the ability of others to go to a party you can't attend other than being small.
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Just think of it as being a bit like seeing a thread about something you don’t really understand and can’t be bothered to learn about, and bogging it down with pointless questions.
 
psionl0 said:
Not to the idea that prorogation is common law.
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https://www.parliament.uk/about/liv...offices-and-ceremonies/overview/prorogation1/

"In centuries past, the Sovereign used the power of prorogation to suit his own purposes, both summoning Parliament so it could authorise taxes, and proroguing it to limit its activities and power."


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Summary

https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2019-0192-summary.pdf

"On 11thSeptember, the High Court of England and Wales delivered judgment dismissing Mrs Miller’s claim on the ground that the issue was not justiciable in a court of law. That same day, the Inner House of the Court of Session in Scotland announced its decision that the issue was justiciable, that it was motivated by the improper purpose of stymying Parliamentary scrutiny of the Government, and that it, and any prorogation which followed it, were unlawful and thus void and of no effect...."

The key word is justiciable. Then;

"The Government argues that the Inner House could not do that because the prorogation was a “proceeding in Parliament” which, under the Bill of Rights of 1688 cannot be impugned or questioned in any court. But it is quite clear that the prorogation is not a proceeding in Parliament. It takes place in the House of Lords chamber in the presence of members of both Houses, but it is not their decision. It is something which has been imposed upon them from outside. It is not something on which members can speak or vote. It is not the core or essential business of Parliament which the Bill of Rights protects. Quite the reverse: it brings that core or essential business to an end."

It was the Monarch who had the power to prorogue and as power moved from the Monarch to Parliament, the power moved as well, such that now the Monarch's role is purely ceremonial.

Common law is "the part of English law that is derived from custom and judicial precedent rather than statutes."
 
Pixel42 said:
Parliament have just returned to work after being unlawfully suspended against their will. You can't really blame them for refusing to immediately suspend themselves for the convenience of the bugger responsible.
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It will make the Tory Party Conference interesting and possibly not very well attended, as the MPs will need to be at Westminster.
 
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