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Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

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Guybrush Threepwood said:
I dont know, I think he stole it :D
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Ziggurat said:
I hadn't noticed that before, but that makes it even better.
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Apparently it was the other way around. Now he knows that he got to her. Silly girl. Well, the Swedes are generally kind to Trolls and I guess one can't expect this idealistic young lady to refrain from feeding them...

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The Great Zaganza said:
Stupid narrative.
Greta isn't exploited, and she will have to spend far more time on what's left of the Earth than any "handlers".

Just because so many people can't think for themselves doesn't mean a sixteen year old girl can't.
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Far more time?

Not even a blink of the eye of the history of the planet...

Humans will be extinct before any of our piddling efforts to affect our environment for good or bad, will make any significant, measurable difference..
 
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Childlike Empress said:
Apparently it was the other way around. Now he knows that he got to her.
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She isn't even the real target. The real target is the people paying attention to her. And what do they see? How can they respond? They're caught between a rock and a hard place. If Trump's description is right, they can't fault him for saying it. But Trump's description is clearly wrong. And yet, to describe him as wrong doesn't work either, because that looks like an attack on Thunberg, and helps validate objections from the right about having put her in this situation to begin with.

Trump's trolling works so well here because it exposes cognitive dissonance. And Thunberg's parroting of Trump just made it harder to resolve the internal conflict. It reminds me of the recent trolling where someone put up a bunch of flyers saying "Islam is right about women". There is no appropriate woke response.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Far more time?

Not even a blink of the eye of the history of the planet...

Humans will be extinct before any of our piddling efforts to affect our environment for good or bad, will make any significant measurable difference..
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That's not at all what scientists say. The impact of climate change in the last 50 years has been substantial and measurable, and it will accelerate dramatically over the next half-century and century. Greta might live for another 70 years or more. And she's scared.
https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/
 
Ziggurat said:
She isn't even the real target. The real target is the people paying attention to her. And what do they see? How can they respond? They're caught between a rock and a hard place. If Trump's description is right, they can't fault him for saying it. But Trump's description is clearly wrong. And yet, to describe him as wrong doesn't work either, because that looks like an attack on Thunberg, and helps validate objections from the right about having put her in this situation to begin with.
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...what?

Have you watched Thunberg's UN speech? She is explicitly not happy and is scared to death about the future, and she spent her entire speech trying to get people to understand that. So how would understanding it, as she wishes, be "an attack" on her?
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Far more time?

Not even a blink of the eye of the history of the planet...

Humans will be extinct before any of our piddling efforts to affect our environment for good or bad, will make any significant, measurable difference..
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What is your evidence for this?
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Far more time?

Not even a blink of the eye of the history of the planet...
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Yes, because we weigh everything against a 5-billion-year timeline.

Skeptical Greg said:
Humans will be extinct before any of our piddling efforts to affect our environment for good or bad, will make any significant, measurable difference..
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Why do you think this? Humans are significantly changing the environment. Whether it's for "good" or "bad" is a values question. Chances are this big ball will continue to host various lifeforms no matter what people do, but that's a far cry from having no measurable effect.

Where do you find the evidence to support your position? I'd really like to know.
 
Checkmite said:
...what?

Have you watched Thunberg's UN speech? She is explicitly not happy and is scared to death about the future, and she spent her entire speech trying to get people to understand that. So how would understanding it, as she wishes, be "an attack" on her?
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She just looked like she was over acting.
 
applecorped said:
How 16-year-old Greta Thunberg’s rise could backfire on environmentalists

There are also lots of observers expressing general alarm at what they see as an indoctrinated child being coerced by adults to make their political arguments with her youth as a shield from any criticism.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/24/how-greta-thunbergs-rise-could-backfire-on-environmentalists.html
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And then there's this take: https://www.theonion.com/nation-perplexed-by-16-year-old-who-doesn-t-want-world-1838374925
 
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