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Demonstrates a fairly believable reason for being distracted as she made her way home.

Do reasonable people, in todays society, not often become partially distracted by their cell phones as they go about their everyday activities?

Or is the argument that she was texting with one hand as she shot at Jean with the other?

ETA: this post is a response to #1015, forgot to quote it.
 
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Whip said:
Don't they put gloves on first as SOP anymore?
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I worked as a stretcher bearer at the NATO Role 3 Trauma Center in Afghanistan. Trust me if you're within 10 feet of a gunshot wound victim you're gonna get blood on you, gloves or no gloves.

You don't give the minimal amount of "First aid" to a GSW victim and come out clean.
 
Distracted1 said:
Demonstrates a fairly believable reason for being distracted as she made her way home.

Do reasonable people, in todays society, not often become partially distracted by their cell phones as they go about their everyday activities?

Or is the argument that she was texting with one hand as she shot at Jean with the other?
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Your definition of "reasonable" is insulting.
 
Distracted1 said:
Demonstrates a fairly believable reason for being distracted as she made her way home.

Do reasonable people, in todays society, not often become partially distracted by their cell phones as they go about their everyday activities?

Or is the argument that she was texting with one hand as she shot at Jean with the other?

ETA: this post is a response to #1015, forgot to quote it.
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A reason for distraction, but not an excuse for the consequences of having been distracted. If I'm busy talking to or texting someone and I run over a 3 year old I'm sure it'll be obvious why I didn't notice there was a kid playing in front of me, but that then doesn't let me off the hook for what happened because I was distracted.
 
Joe Random said:
A reason for distraction, but not an excuse for the consequences of having been distracted. If I'm busy talking to or texting someone and I run over a 3 year old I'm sure it'll be obvious why I didn't notice there was a kid playing in front of me, but that then doesn't let me off the hook for what happened because I was distracted.
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The car comparison continues to be brought up.
Do you acknowledge that there is a different expectation for attention required to operate a motor vehicle v. to walk down a hallway from your car to your front door?
 
Distracted1 said:
Do you acknowledge that there is a different expectation for attention required to operate a motor vehicle v. to walk down a hallway from your car to your front door?
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More germane to this case, which of those standards more nearly resembles that which should be applied when deciding whether or not to shoot someone?

Dave
 
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The car comparison continues to be brought up.
Do you acknowledge that there is a different expectation for attention required to operate a motor vehicle v. to walk down a hallway from your car to your front door?
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Yes. And there's also a difference between walking down a hallway and drawing a deadly weapon and opening fire before properly taking in the details of the environment/target/encounter.
 
Distracted1 said:
The car comparison continues to be brought up.
Do you acknowledge that there is a different expectation for attention required to operate a motor vehicle v. to walk down a hallway from your car to your front door?
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Yea I mean next people will want you to not take sound shots while hunting and playing candy crush, you can't bother to look up from the game to see if it a person or not after all. Hunting effectively 101 that.
 
Jesus, what a small apartment. This "hallway" was little more than an opening for the door. Dude never stood a chance, I imagine him "approaching her" was little more than standing up from the couch, turning, and taking a couple steps before being killed.

It should be noted that both Guyger and her partner both deleted the relevant texts from their phones after the shooting. Seems that both should be fired and charged with destruction of evidence for this.
 
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Jesus, what a small apartment. This "hallway" was little more than an opening for the door. Dude never stood a chance, I imagine him "approaching her" was little more than standing up from the couch, turning, and taking a couple steps before being killed.
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Bullet trajectory has him in the process of standing up, or cowering. So he was either getting up, or had already gotten up and was trying to hide behind the counter. The latter I find to be not likely from where the body cam shows Jean's body. It looks like he started getting up, got shot, took a couple steps and collapsed.

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It should be noted that both Guyger and her partner both deleted the relevant texts from their phones after the shooting. Seems that both should be fired and charged with destruction of evidence for this.
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This is true, and I agree. Luckily all of the text messages were retrieved and the state has them.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Jesus, what a small apartment. This "hallway" was little more than an opening for the door. Dude never stood a chance, I imagine him "approaching her" was little more than standing up from the couch, turning, and taking a couple steps before being killed.

It should be noted that both Guyger and her partner both deleted the relevant texts from their phones after the shooting. Seems that both should be fired and charged with destruction of evidence for this.
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The more we hear, the more I understand why the charges were upped to murder by the Grand Jury.
 
Now they're getting into all of the messed up **** that the police did to help Guyger at the scene. They shut off the recording, the detectives were telling her to not say anything, officers were giving her instructions, and so on.

The prosecution isn't ******* around here. I think the person they're showing now is the head of the Dallas Police Officers Association asking the Sergeant on-scene to shut off the recording devices so he could speak with her.
 
Distracted1 said:
Demonstrates a fairly believable reason for being distracted as she made her way home.

Do reasonable people, in todays society, not often become partially distracted by their cell phones as they go about their everyday activities?

Or is the argument that she was texting with one hand as she shot at Jean with the other?
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Are you for real?
 
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Now they're getting into all of the messed up **** that the police did to help Guyger at the scene. They shut off the recording, the detectives were telling her to not say anything, officers were giving her instructions, and so on.

The prosecution isn't ******* around here. I think the person they're showing now is the head of the Dallas Police Officers Association asking the Sergeant on-scene to shut off the recording devices so he could speak with her.
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Setting the stage for the civil lawsuit against the police...
 
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"Did you notice a smell in the apartment?"

"Yes"

"What did it smell like?"

"Marijuana"

Why? Just why does that mean anything at all? I don't get it. He's home by himself and he should be able to do whatever the **** he wants.
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Of course he should. But that raises a separate question. Her defense, such as it is, is that she thought she was confronting a burglar. But how many burglars smoke grass while they work? If she really smelled it, that would be a bigger clue that whoever was in "her" apartment wasn't somebody who needed or deserved to be killed on the spot.
 
plague311 said:
Now they're getting into all of the messed up **** that the police did to help Guyger at the scene. They shut off the recording, the detectives were telling her to not say anything, officers were giving her instructions, and so on.

The prosecution isn't ******* around here. I think the person they're showing now is the head of the Dallas Police Officers Association asking the Sergeant on-scene to shut off the recording devices so he could speak with her.
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It's not their job to collect evidence and investigate crimes... /s

I'm sure whatever they told her was good advice, and probably boiled down to "you're in trouble, keep your mouth shut, get a lawyer".
Of course, if this wasn't a cop, they would have done everything in their power to keep the suspect talking and get it all on camera.
 
Sure as ****, garage cameras that are playing show multiple people giving her advice and the Sergeant on-scene shutting off the recorder. A cop gives her a hug and pats her on the back.

That ******* sucks.
 
They're taking a quick lunch but by the sounds of it the officers on-scene are saying that they were under the impression it was an officer involved shooting. That's why they let Guyger talk to other officers, get visits in the squad car, have the audio\video shut off, and was treated much differently than your average suspect.
 
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