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Cont: Man shot, killed by off-duty Dallas police officer who walked into wrong apartment p2

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Bob001 said:
Aren't there some limits on what the defense can do? Suppose he did smoke pot (about which there is dispute)? So what? What does that have to do with the matter at hand? Can the defense really say "This was a bad guy, no loss to the world, she did the community a favor..."? Yeah, we know all about blame the victim, but he did NOTHING to contribute to his death. Even pro-police jurors wouldn't swallow that, right?
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The only way that it can be admitted, would be if they can get a toxicologist to say that when he has 'x' levels of THC he might not respond rationally to commands, or something like that.

Also, if the marijuana was tested and laced with something, they would be able to explain that with regard to his response to commands.

Still, they would have to put her on the stand to see what she said happened, and I don't think they want to do that.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Wondering how long this trial might last. Most of the facts are not really in dispute. I guess the defense will be putting forward some legal theory why this isn't murder, but the broad strokes of the killing are largely agreed upon. Maybe it will be fast?
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None of the facts have ever really been in dispute and we're still 25 pages into the second part of a thread about disputing them.

Again all the defense had to do was find one person who's brain is wired the same as some of the people in this thread and get them on that jury. If they did that the chick walks.
 
These text messages are hilarious. Apparently she had no intentions on going to bed. She wasn't rushing home to get tucked in. She wanted some loving, and had every intention on going out afterwards. They're blaming her distraction on text messaging him and she didn't go and park right away. She stopped in the parking garage and then went to park.
 
Oh what a ******* surprise the chick wasn't tired at all. She wasn't dragging feet with the last of her energy just to get to bed.

What's the next excuse apologists?
 
He's drilling on the training that she ignored. Her job, according to the training documentation, said she's supposed to back off, contain the intruder and wait for backup. Not go in guns blazing.
 
When the cops showed up she wasn't inside tending to him, she was texting her partner saying "I ****** up" (the partner she was having sex with, or trying to anyway).
 
plague311 said:
When the cops showed up she wasn't inside tending to him, she was texting her partner saying "I ****** up" (the partner she was having sex with, or trying to anyway).
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Caught that last bit of the opening arguments. Hell, that's probably consistent with her training. Neglecting seriously wounded "suspects" waiting for EMS and backup is extremely common. Had this not been a case where the "suspect" was murdered by the cops, Guyger letting him bleed out unattended would not be noteworthy.

So yeah, Botham died alone in his apartment while Guyger texted her partner about how she had a whoopsie. Got to hand it to the prosecutor, he's not pulling punches.

Break for lunch before resuming.

JoeMorgue said:
None of the facts have ever really been in dispute and we're still 25 pages into the second part of a thread about disputing them.

Again all the defense had to do was find one person who's brain is wired the same as some of the people in this thread and get them on that jury. If they did that the chick walks.
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The wheels of justice turn slow. We'll finally get a public airing of this and a decision. Unlike this thread, the case will have a conclusion. Hopefully the right one.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Caught that last bit of the opening arguments. Hell, that's probably consistent with her training. Neglecting seriously wounded "suspects" waiting for EMS and backup is extremely common. Had this not been a case where the "suspect" was murdered by the cops, Guyger letting him bleed out unattended would not be noteworthy.
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That fits in with the "Everything that let her kill Jean she was right about, everything that wouldn't let her kill Jean opsie daisy im mens rea mistake of fact fiddle dee" narrative the apologists have been pushing.

It's like she literally went through the sequences of events and just decided she was going to be mistaken about everything that wouldn't let her kill Jean, picking and choosing which parts of her training she remembered, which parts of reality she was aware of, and whether or not she was a frazzled overworked walking zombie or laser focused beat cop depending on which made her look better in the moment.


The wheels of justice turn slow. We'll finally get a public airing of this and a decision. Unlike this thread, the case will have a conclusion. Hopefully the right one.
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I remain hopeful but skeptical.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Caught that last bit of the opening arguments. Hell, that's probably consistent with her training. Neglecting seriously wounded "suspects" waiting for EMS and backup is extremely common. Had this not been a case where the "suspect" was murdered by the cops, Guyger letting him bleed out unattended would not be noteworthy.
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As we have seen in florida proper SOP for police shooting and innocent person is to not treat them and arrest them while hoping they bleed to death. See the shooting of Charles Kinsey.
 
Thermal said:
Why do I have this feeling that the whole thing is going to be so much worse than we thought?
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I always figured she would either get her job back or a settlement for wrongful termination so you think it will be worse than that?
 
JoeMorgue said:
That fits in with the "Everything that let her kill Jean she was right about, everything that wouldn't let her kill Jean opsie daisy im mens rea mistake of fact fiddle dee" narrative the apologists have been pushing.
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I don't know, if you watched the video of the prosecutor he had his ducks in a row. The "mistake of fact" is going to be exceedingly harder to pull off given what he said. The view of the skyline is different, the amount of lights she walked by, the amount of times it labeled the floor she was on, etc. They just pounded on it nonstop. Plus the fact that she was basically distracted by trying to get some ass. She even spelled "come over" with a "cum" and a winky.

JoeMorgue said:
It's like she literally went through the sequences of events and just decided she was going to be mistaken about everything that wouldn't let her kill Jean, picking and choosing which parts of her training she remembered, which parts of reality she was aware of, and whether or not she was a frazzled overworked walking zombie or laser focused beat cop depending on which made her look better in the moment.
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The prosecutor even laid out her day at work. That she spent most of her time in her office, etc.

JoeMorgue said:
I remain hopeful but skeptical.
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We'll see.
 
ponderingturtle said:
I always figured she would either get her job back or a settlement for wrongful termination so you think it will be worse than that?
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Why would you think that? On what basis should she get her job back, or win a wrongful termination suit? Is she going to go to court and say "I didn't break any rules. The department never told me not to kill an unarmed man in his home." You think a Texas jury will buy that?
 
Bob001 said:
Why would you think that? On what basis should she get her job back, or win a wrongful termination suit? Is she going to go to court and say "I didn't break any rules. The department never told me not to kill an unarmed man in his home." You think a Texas jury will buy that?
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I go by the settlement paid you to the murderer of Philado Castile to leave the department and the campus pepper spray cop.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/the-pepper-spraying-cop-got-a-bigger-payout-than-his-victims/280822/

Then there is this officer who in two seperate incidents kill unarmed black men fleeing him with in a year of each other and was giving his job back by the police union after the trial.

"Hector Jimenez is one Oakland policeman who was fired and reinstated. In 2007, he shot and killed an unarmed 20-year-old man. Just seven months later, he killed another unarmed man, shooting him three times in the back as he ran away. Oakland paid a $650,000 settlement to the dead man's family in a lawsuit and fired Jimenez, who appealed through his police union. Despite killing two unarmed men and costing taxpayers all that money, he was reinstated and given back pay."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/how-police-unions-keep-abusive-cops-on-the-street/383258/

It is just how the game is played.
 
Yep. Defense is totally trying to sell the "But she THOUGHT it was her apartment" thing.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yep. Defense is totally trying to sell the "But she THOUGHT it was her apartment" thing.
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They seem to want to drive home the fact that she worked 40 hours that week (from Mon-Thurs). I don't think that's a good tactic. There are a ton of jobs where you work 4 days with 12 hour shifts.
 
plague311 said:
They seem to want to drive home the fact that she worked 40 hours that week (from Mon-Thurs). I don't think that's a good tactic. There are a ton of jobs where you work 4 days with 12 hour shifts.
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There's plenty of jobs where you work 7 days with 12 hour shifts.
 
plague311 said:
They seem to want to drive home the fact that she worked 40 hours that week (from Mon-Thurs). I don't think that's a good tactic. There are a ton of jobs where you work 4 days with 12 hour shifts.
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So easy to sit on your high tower, Mr. Man!

Let he who hasn't accidentally committed a fatal home invasion cast the first stone. Not so smart now, are ya?
 
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