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By the way, I had read the Scottish decision before, I thought it spent very little time establishing why prorogation could be criminal. It was mostly about establishment that Johnson tried to restrict parliament and justiciability.

The argument it is illegal is one paragraph. It basically says it is the application of the common law informed by the principle of the rule of law (paragraph 51)

As a foreigner, I don't have the background to reach that shorthand conclusion. That is the piece I want to know more specifics about.
 
dudalb said:
Way things are going Boris may go down as the worst PM since Lord North...you know the PM from the early 1770's to 1781 who brought on the American Revolution, and them managed to lose the Revolutionary War.....

On a minor note, we can add Marvel Comic Charecters to the long list of things Boris knows nothing about.....
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Well, he has Churchill's attention to detail and practicality coupled with Eden's strategic grasp.

And Enoch Powell's unifying instinct with Profumo's ability to avoid compromising relationships
 
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Klimax said:
EU gives Boris Johnson ultimatum: Show us Brexit plan in 12 days or ‘it’s over’

Looks like patience is MIA...
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It looks like Boris Johnson's plan is to present the UK's proposals so late that there's no opportunity to subject them to proper scrutiny.

If the plan is accepted then it's a victory for Boris because the plan will be deeply flawed. If it isn't then he can blame the EU for dismissing the UK's fantastic plan out of hand :rolleyes:

A Downing Street source said: "We will continue negotiating and put forward proposals at the appropriate time."
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The Don said:
It looks like Boris Johnson's plan is to present the UK's proposals so late that there's no opportunity to subject them to proper scrutiny.

If the plan is accepted then it's a victory for Boris because the plan will be deeply flawed. If it isn't then he can blame the EU for dismissing the UK's fantastic plan out of hand :rolleyes:
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That's what the article says:

Reports suggest ideas brought to Brussels by UK negotiators have amounted to the same as the old agreement, with the section on the Irish backstop simply crossed out in the text. UK sources have also reportedly suggested full proposals are being deliberately held back to the last minute for timing reasons.

In other words yes, BJ is probably going to present something at the last minute and then fume at the EU for not accepting his hard work. Given the dearth of possibilies, I suspect it will be a NI-only backstop or something of that nature.

That might actually pass, but articles such as these make it less likely.

McHrozni
 
The Don said:
It looks like Boris Johnson's plan is to present the UK's proposals so late that there's no opportunity to subject them to proper scrutiny.

If the plan is accepted then it's a victory for Boris because the plan will be deeply flawed. If it isn't then he can blame the EU for dismissing the UK's fantastic plan out of hand :rolleyes:
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Or to create enough ill will that they dont agree to the extension?

I would vote against an extension if it meant never having to see Ann Widdecombe again.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1174607157217628162

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Indeed. Literally the courts are the only option.

Parliament can't do anything because it is prorogued.

If they rule this isn't justiciable then they open up a huge constitutional black hole.

For that I think they need to find it is justiciable even if they don't want to do anything about it. The 'out' for them is to find that it is justiciable but that in this case it wasn't unlawful.

Whether they go that route or not is debateable. Personally I would look at the cost benefit analysis and realise that having parliament sit does no damage to anyone whereas having it prorogued denies Parliament the opportunity to sit.
 
McHrozni said:
That's what the article says:

Reports suggest ideas brought to Brussels by UK negotiators have amounted to the same as the old agreement, with the section on the Irish backstop simply crossed out in the text.
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Did Donnie lend Boris his Sharpie?
 
I've listened to a few analysts talking about it, and they pretty much all concur that this is so unprecedented that they don't want to make any kind of prediction about how it will turn out.

I suspect that if it's determined to be justiciable then they're likely to follow the Scottish courts, because in UK law the lack of a sworn statement by the government counts against them in quite a major way, and it was because of this that 3 Scottish judges ruled that Johnson had acted unlawfully. Although, as I said, I'm far from a legal expert and actual legal experts are refusing to make a call.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I've listened to a few analysts talking about it, and they pretty much all concur that this is so unprecedented that they don't want to make any kind of prediction about how it will turn out.

I suspect that if it's determined to be justiciable then they're likely to follow the Scottish courts, because in UK law the lack of a sworn statement by the government counts against them in quite a major way, and it was because of this that 3 Scottish judges ruled that Johnson had acted unlawfully. Although, as I said, I'm far from a legal expert and actual legal experts are refusing to make a call.
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Small footnote, there is no such thing as UK law. Scots Law and Law of England and Wales are 2 equal and separate things.
 
mkg said:
Oh, I did. Your point?
Lothian said that WTO required border checks. It doesn't. It's not rocket science.
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And yet the article you quoted says it does. Unless you remove them from everyone.

If you read the article and still think you are right you are beyond help.
 
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