Merged Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program UFO'S

[skyeagle409]

No. That video is not "courtesy" of the Department of Defence. It is a video supplied by Harold Puthoff who was in the room with Luis Elizondo.

There is no Dod press release, released video or anything else. Luis Elizondo does not work for the Department of Defense, nor is he their spokesperson. These people are trying to raise money.

Let's take a look here to see if you are correct.

The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the real deal

(CNN)The US Navy has finally acknowledged footage purported to show UFOs hurtling through the air. And while officials said they don't know what the objects are, they're not indulging any hints either.

The objects seen in three clips of declassified military footage are "unidentified aerial phenomena," Navy spokesperson Joe Gradisher confirmed to CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/18/politics/navy-confirms-ufo-videos-trnd/index.html

Navy confirms videos did capture UFO sightings, but it calls them by another name

Three videos posted online that have been described as being related to UFO sightings do indeed include footage of “unidentified aerial phenomena,” a U.S. Navy spokesman confirmed.

But as for specifics, spokesman Joseph Gradisher said the Navy doesn't know exactly what the objects are.

"The three videos (one from 2004 and two from 2015) show incursions into our military training ranges by unidentified aerial phenomena," Gradisher told NBC News in an emailed statement.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-capture-ufo-sightings-it-calls-them-n1056201


U.S. Navy official confirms "unidentified aerial phenomena" in previously released videos

In December 2017 and March 2018, The New York Times released three allegedly declassified videos showing U.S. Navy pilots trailing some unidentified flying objects. The mystery crafts moved at hypersonic speeds, flying tens of thousands of feet above the Earth with no distinct wings, engines or visible signs of propulsion whatsoever.

Were they flying saucers? Incredibly high-tech drones? The pilots had no idea — and, according to a recent statement from Navy intelligence officials, neither does the U.S. government.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united...cts-videos-were-not-to-be-released-to-public/

 

[skyeagle409]

So did they find any solidified metal that allegedly dripped off? If it wasn't molten metal, what was it?

I don't know if they did or not, but cast made at the site are missing, but I wasn't surprised to learn the British MoD attempted to cover up the incident.

 

[skyeagle409]

You don't know anyone there at all. You didn't even know that Colonel Hart clearly said he could see the lighthouse. You simply made up a whole lot of crap to push your "UFOs are real" fantasy.

To let you know that it is Colonel Halt, not Hart. What did he say in his affidavit about the lighthouse?

 

[skyeagle409]

So you can see lights through the trees.
If you can see lights through the trees, why can't you see the lighthouse light through the trees?

If standing 50 feet from the edge of a forest, I see no real problem. But, try shining a beam of light completely through a mile-wide forest end-to-end.

 

[steenkh]

You are correct, but we have lots of data from satellites, radar, ELINT systems, deep space surveillance radars, ATC communications, physical trace evidence, etc.

Equipment failures have been rejected in the such cases. For an example, in the JAL 1628 case, there are communication tapes and ATC transcripts where military and civilian controllers were warning the aircrew of the B-747 by a a gigantic UFO larger than a ship. 2 1/2 months later in the general region, an Air Force KC-135 was in formation with a gigantic UFO the size of a ship, which was reported by the aircrew. The communication tape between ATC and the aircrew is now available to the public.

So no equipment failures, then, only misinterpretations of the data. You have military and civilian controllers thinking that there is "a gigantic UFO larger than a ship" in the vicinity of a B-747, but apparently no corroboration from the crew or from the ground (somebody should have seen such a huge thing from the ground). You also have a crew flying formation with such a UFO, but unfortunately, this one does not show up on the controller's plots. How come?

The advanced technology exhibited by the objects that is unknown to mankind.

It is not just advanced, it is downright impossible. In many cases aircrews have reported radar plots moving at impossible speeds, and nobody has heard corresponding sonic booms. Inertia also seems to be something that UFO's do not have problems with, apart from their presumed ability to move faster than light.

I am not saying that there is nothing there, I am saying that natural phenomena, misreading and misidentifications are a lot more likely.

Another clear example is where our space surveillance systems track them as they enter Earth's atmosphere from deep space. According to DSP surveillance satellite engineers of Aero Jet, their own DSP satellites have tracked the objects in space and in one case, a DSP detected a UFO with its star tracker as the UFO headed toward Earth from deep space. The object then slowed down as it rounded to within a few miles of the DSP before heading back into deep space and that incident occurred in 1984. The UFOs in such cases are code named: "Fastwalkers."

And this was deemed not to be misinterpretations how?

How about the Roswell incident?

This thoroughly debunked junk does not do you any good. The part alone that the aliens are humanoid gives the game away.

 

[steenkh]

Let's take a look here to see if you are correct.

In December 2017 and March 2018, The New York Times released three allegedly declassified videos showing U.S. Navy pilots trailing some unidentified flying objects. The mystery crafts moved at hypersonic speeds, flying tens of thousands of feet above the Earth with no distinct wings, engines or visible signs of propulsion whatsoever.

The US Navy seems to be taking a sensible course here. Why all this talk about "interplanetary spacecraft"?

BTW, to me the UFO in those videos do not look like a solid object at all. It would not surprise me if it turns out to be some artifact in the video equipment. Did the navy pilots also get a visual?

 

[Cosmic Yak]

You have no case, because a beam of light from the lighthouse cannot been seen through a mile-thick forest.

But light from a UFO, which is much further away, can.

Right.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

You have no case, because a beam of light from the lighthouse cannot been seen through a mile-thick forest.

The canopy of the forest is a mile thick?

 

[Belgian thought]

The canopy of the forest is a mile thick?

Duh! Hence the expression, "You can't see the lighthouse for the trees".








... I'll get my probe.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

You have no case, because a beam of light from the lighthouse cannot been seen through a mile-thick forest.

You are lying again.

The BBC filmed the light from the light house it at the exact location the security guards claimed they saw it at the same time.
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendleshamreport_ridpath.mov

You then posted a 2010 affidavit from Colonel Hart, which you forgot to read first, where he said he could see the lighthouse the entire time.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12824010&postcount=538

You also forged incorrect arrows on a photo of the lighthouse and lied by claiming the forest was blocked, when in fact it was the town of Orford.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12825290&postcount=554

Why do you lie so much?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Let's take a look here to see if you are correct.

You are lying again.

The only two people who claims Luis Elizondo was "manager" of the AATIP was Luis Elizondo and his current employee, Bryan Bender, who once worked at Politico.

Both Bryan Bender and Luis Elizondo appear in the current UFO documentary "Unidentified" produced by Luis Elzondo's "To the Stars Academy".
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10016814/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ql_1

Then the Pentagon's press officer, Christopher Sherwood made a clear statement.
"Yes, AATIP existed, and it “did pursue research and investigation into unidentified aerial phenomena,” Pentagon spokesperson Christopher Sherwood told me. However, he added: “Mr. Elizondo had no responsibilities with regard to the AATIP program while he worked in OUSDI [the Office of Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence], up until the time he resigned effective 10/4/2017.”

Then Luis Elzondo had to issue a retraction on his "To the Stars Academy and say he wasn't at the DNI at all. We then discover that Luis Elzondo and ex-Blink 182's singer Tom Delonge were simply two con-artists trying to raise $30,000,000 for "On to the Stars Academy" to make more UFO movies.
https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...903/TTSA_Reg+A+#2_Offering+Circular_FINAL.pdf

Why do you lie so much?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

If standing 50 feet from the edge of a forest, I see no real problem. But, try shining a beam of light completely through a mile-wide forest end-to-end.

You are lying again.

Here is a photo of the lighthouse in the 1980's taken exactly from where Halt claimed three rabbit holes were a "UFO landing site".

You also are pretending to forget ON PURPOSE that the police took a photo of the same landing site and said they could see only the light from the lighthouse, in their official report.
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/police.htm

Why do you lie so much?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I don't know if they did or not, but cast made at the site are missing, but I wasn't surprised to learn the British MoD attempted to cover up the incident.

You are lying again.

No one made plaster casts of the rabbit holes. Colonel Halt's recording on the spot, at the time, makes no mention of plaster casts. The police report makes no mention of plaster casts. It was 3am and none of them took plaster with them. They all went home after the police informed Halt the light was merely the lighthouse..

Show us your evidence and tell us who stood in the forest at 3AM waiting for plaster poured into rabbit holes to dry?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

This thoroughly debunked junk does not do you any good.

Skyeagle409 simply makes up stories about UFOs. He has already been debunked in his 9/11 "controlled demolition" lies on our forum.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11997216#post11997216

The part alone that the aliens are humanoid gives the game away.

Skyeagle409 forgot that he is simultaneously claiming aliens landed in Redlesham forest, in a UFO only 2 1/2 metres wide. He also lies and simultaneously claims the canopy was to think for light to enter and forgot his "UFO" had to go through that same canopy. In reality the canopy was still intact indicating no spaceship landed at all. It was just three rabbit holes.

 

[chuff8xt]

Instead of arguing about Elizondo and the Blink182 guy , why not read what a defense aviation reporter is saying about this ?

Tyler Rogoway at The WarZone writes about defense aviation. He has a number of very good articles exploring the ongoing UAP/UFO reports , what is going on in the Navy with regards to reporting UAPs, and how this fits in with known technology including some fascinating info on defense related patent applications that seem to push the envelop of what is possible.

Rogoway is a skeptic in the best sense of the word, applying his knowledge to consider the various possibilities, most of which are very earth-bound, with these phenomena.

Regardless of who first talked it up, there is something odd going on , whether it is a new approach to disinformation on defense projects, glitches in expensive monitoring systems, unexplained foreign tech, encounters with high tech radar reflectors, or , least likely, objects not from earth.

But read some of Rogoway's work to learn more about current event around UAPs.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-going-on-with-ufos-and-department-of-defense

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...efense-tech-just-like-nimitz-in-2004-incident

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...occurred-constantly-across-multiple-squadrons

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...ter-between-f-a-18s-and-ufo-off-baja-surfaces

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-drive-extra-dimensions-anti-gravity-and-more

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...are-encountering-be-airborne-radar-reflectors

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Instead of arguing about Elizondo and the Blink182 guy , why not read what a defense aviation reporter is saying about this ?

Firstly, the Pentagon closed the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program in 2012. The Navy videos are all very old. If it was a US ruse to hide their new technology there would be current ruses.

Secondly, the number of cameras and video cameras has exponentially increased around the world and yet we get less and less images of UFOs.

Thirdly, The Russian GRU, and Chinese 3PLA, do exactly the same as the USA and monitor each other's technical weapons development and create counter measures. Where are the new weapons counter measures?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

But, try shining a beam of light completely through a mile-wide forest end-to-end.

You are simultaneously arguing the canopy was too thick to shine a light through and...yet your magical UFO landed in the same forest without breaking a tree branch?

Can you try to get your conflicting BS stories right next time.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Tyler Rogoway at The WarZone writes about defense aviation. He has a number of very good articles exploring the ongoing UAP/UFO reports

You almost had me fall for this.

Tyler Rogoway is an invented name of Pierre Sprey, a record producer, who runs "Mapleshade" records. Pierre Sprey was born in 1937 and is 82 years old.

"Sprey is sometimes credited in popular-audience media as being a "co-designer" of both the A-10 and F-16 aircraft. In other cases he is simply cited as helping to design these planes.......(In reality) Sprey took no part in the designing of these aircraft."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Sprey#cite_note-Michel-25

He looks very young for an 82 year old on his website.
https://www.thedrive.com/author/tyler-rogoway

 

[skyeagle409]

1952, the year UFOs created havoc over Washington D.C.

TIME Magazine - August 4, 1952

SCIENCE: Blips on the Scopes

Air traffic was light at Washington Airport one midnight last week, and the radar scope of the Civil Aeronautics Authority was almost clear. At 12:40 a.m. a group of bright blips showed. The operator estimated that they were about 15 miles southwest of Washington. Then the blips disappeared abruptly and reappeared a few seconds later over northeast Washington. The operator called his boss, Senior Controller Harry Barnes, 39, a graduate of the Buffalo Technical Institute who has worked for the CAA as an electronics expert since 1941. The operator told Barnes: "Here are some flying saucers for you."

Barnes laughed at first, but the blips kept popping up all over the scope. They sometimes hovered, sometimes flew slowly and sometimes incredibly fast. Technicians checked the radar; it was in good working order. Over the White House. Barnes began to worry when he saw the blips apparently flying over the White House and other prohibited areas. He called the airport control tower. Sure enough, its radar showed the strange blips too. When the towermen measured the speed of a fast blip, they found that it had flown for eight miles at 7,200 m.p.h.

http://www.project1947.com/fig/1952a.htm


AIR FORCE TIMES

August 2, 1952

F-94s Called Out To Chase

Saucers Over Washington

The night of July 26 at 9:08 unidentified objects were picked up by radar at National Airport. At various times four to 12 in number, the objects were seen on the radar screen until 3 a.m. Radar at Andrews AFB showed the objects from around 8:30 until midnight, and located them at approximately seven miles south of the base.

At 11:25 p.m., two F-94s from the Air Defense Command at New Castle AFB, Del., took off to investigate. One of the F-94 pilots saw four lights near Andrews, but he could not overtake them and they disappeared in two or three minutes. He also saw a steady white light 10 miles east of Mount Vernon but it faded quickly.


Al Chop

Al Chop describes being present at Washington National Airport on the night in July 1952 watching on radar and hearing the communications when an Air Force F-94 pilot reported being surrounded by UFOs. He quotes the pilot as saying, "They're closing in on me! What shall I do?" Chop: "There was dead silence in the radar room; no one knew what to say. I don't mind telling you this, it scared me! It was frightening! And I think everybody in the room was very apprehensive.

They had to be intelligently controlled." His experience that night convinced him that UFOs probably were from another planet.

Al Chop; Press Chief for the U.S. Air Force in 1952

From a controller's original sketch, some saucer movements July 20
on Washington radar scope are diagrammed above.

At A, seven blips appeared suddenly. Two moved (B) near White House, one near Capitol. At C, one fled a northwest bound airliner (indicated by row of blips). Later (D) ten flocked at Andrews Field. E illustrates a saucer's right-angle turn compared with curving turn of ordinary aircraft."

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc892.htm

http://www.project1947.com/fig/1952d.htm


What Radar Tells About Flying Saucers

Hovering object that was scanned by radar and seen by ground watchers was caught on film by a climbing jet pilot. These unretouched 35 mm. gun - camera movie frames, released to TRUE by the Air Force, were taken at 30,000 feet, near Wright Field, at 11 a.m. on August 20, 1952.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I would really like to know what pilots in other countries have seen and documented.
The degree to which these reports overwhelmingly come from the US point to something systemic in how the data is gathered or interpreted.