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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
https://www.ft.com/content/7453c686-d9b7-11e9-8f9b-77216ebe1f17



Glad to know it's all going well, and that the people most qualified for the job are negotiating on our behalf.
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The parallels between Boris Johnson and President Trump in this regard are considerable

  • Both don't like to prepare or plan, preferring to go with their gut
  • Both are profoundly ignorant on a huge range of subjects, unwilling to learn and yet still absurdly overconfident
  • Both surround themselves with incompetents whose only qualification is their unwavering loyalty
  • Both believe that the world needs to bend to their will

I can only hope that Boris Johnson is at least not as intellectually limited as President Trump.
 
Vixen said:
I disagree. If they can afford to pay interest on their credit cards they can afford to save the same amount instead.
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Good luck explaining to the credit card company that you are going to stop paying your monthly bills to invest in the stock market instead.
 
Once again, the EU are frustrated that the UK just keeps whining and won't actually bring any new proposals to the table:

The UK and EU "should not pretend to be negotiating" a Brexit deal if there are no new proposals on the table, the EU's chief negotiator has said.

Michel Barnier said the UK telling the EU what it does not like about the current agreement was "not enough".

The European Commission's Jean-Claude Juncker told the European Parliament the UK must "spell out" alternatives to the Irish backstop as soon as possible.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49738897

Boris Johnson is talking his usual gibberish and remaining optimistic :rolleyes:

Boris Johnson has said there is a "landing zone" for an agreement.
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And rather like a schoolkid claiming that he has a girlfriend and that she's really pretty but you'll never meet her because she lives a long way away....

He has said a deal is possible at a crucial summit of EU leaders on 17 October - although ministers have said they are reluctant to reveal the details of new proposals in advance for fear they will be "rubbished" by the EU.
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We're less than a month away from a critical meeting but the UK isn't going to say what our sooper sekrit plan is. It's truly pathetic. :mad:
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
https://www.ft.com/content/7453c686-d9b7-11e9-8f9b-77216ebe1f17



Glad to know it's all going well, and that the people most qualified for the job are negotiating on our behalf.
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The lunatics have taken over the asylum. Personally I don't really expect a PM to be knowledgeable on the details of every topic, the secret is to have the right people in the right place at the right time who are knowledgeable.

The problem with this government is that they have gone full Trump and think they know better than the people who DO understand the issues.
 
The Don said:
The parallels between Boris Johnson and President Trump in this regard are considerable

  • Both don't like to prepare or plan, preferring to go with their gut
  • Both are profoundly ignorant on a huge range of subjects, unwilling to learn and yet still absurdly overconfident
  • Both surround themselves with incompetents whose only qualification is their unwavering loyalty
  • Both believe that the world needs to bend to their will

I can only hope that Boris Johnson is at least not as intellectually limited as President Trump.
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Yep, pretty much this. It's the benefit(?) of being insanely privileged.
 
Lothian said:
Strange because Boris always comes over as a switched on bright intellectual. The way you describe him is like an unprepared buffoon.
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Johnson's problem is not lack of intelligence, it's his laziness. I think it was Ken Clarke who reported that he was the despair of his civil servants when he was foreign secretary because of his unwillingness to read, let alone master, the briefs they prepared for him.
 
The Don said:
The parallels between Boris Johnson and President Trump in this regard are considerable

  • Both don't like to prepare or plan, preferring to go with their gut
  • Both are profoundly ignorant on a huge range of subjects, unwilling to learn and yet still absurdly overconfident
  • Both surround themselves with incompetents whose only qualification is their unwavering loyalty
  • Both believe that the world needs to bend to their will

I can only hope that Boris Johnson is at least not as intellectually limited as President Trump.
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BJ is not dyslexic and is almost 20 years younger than Trump. Those are the key differences between them.

Granted, those differences amount to a fair deal. Not having dyslexia enables BJ to sound significantly more astute when appropriate, Trump has a vocabulary of ~700 words thanks to the condition. Trump has also been showing symptoms of age-related mental degradation, BJ is still too young for that.

In short, BJ will always appear more intellectually capable than Trump. Whether he has significantly greater mental capacity or not remains to be seen. My guess is no, he does not.

McHrozni
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Perhaps. We'll see. I was just reporting on the first day of the case. I can't report on things that haven't yet happened.
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I'm no lawyer but am I right in thinking that the appeal can only be on a point of law? So in the Scottish case the appeal can only be on the fact of whether the court can actually rule on it or not?

That the Scottish courts found Johnson to be a liar is already decided and I don't think he can appeal this finding unless there is a point of law that I am unaware of?
 
McHrozni said:
BJ is not dyslexic and is almost 20 years younger than Trump. Those are the key differences between them.

Granted, those differences amount to a fair deal. Not having dyslexia enables BJ to sound significantly more astute when appropriate, Trump has a vocabulary of ~700 words thanks to the condition. Trump has also been showing symptoms of age-related mental degradation, BJ is still too young for that.

In short, BJ will always appear more intellectually capable than Trump. Whether he has significantly greater mental capacity or not remains to be seen. My guess is no, he does not.

McHrozni
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Of course there is the slight problem that many people say BoJo is a coke-head. I'm not saying that of course, but MANY PEOPLE say it.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
The lunatics have taken over the asylum. Personally I don't really expect a PM to be knowledgeable on the details of every topic, the secret is to have the right people in the right place at the right time who are knowledgeable.



The problem with this government is that they have gone full Trump and think they know better than the people who DO understand the issues.
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One of May's many mistakes was thinking that those that had so passionately campaigned to leave the EU, that knew we could have new trade deals like snapping our fingers and knew the EU would give them whatever it is they wanted, were competent and had understood the issues in leaving the EU were the people to put in charge of leaving.
 
Vixen said:
I disagree. If they can afford to pay interest on their credit cards they can afford to save the same amount instead.
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You seem to be assuming that the poorest have average credit card debt. The poorest by defininition will be outliers on several money-related distributions. I would suspect a large proportion of credit card debt is down to people who had good credit and then were/saw themselves as temporarily in a financial squeeze - lost job, business performing poorly and used credit cards as a stop-gap that turned out to last longer than expected.
So far I'm failing to find a decent breakdown of stats.
 
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