Got to vote for Kamala Harris

[Ziggurat]

Finally, I think a proper AWB bill could be passed that would actually ban the possession of certain assault weapons, say, any automatic weapon with a caliber over a certain size with a removable magazine or internal magazine over a certain size.

Did you mean semiautomatic? Because automatic weapons are already very tightly controlled, and are almost never used in crimes.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Did you mean semiautomatic? Because automatic weapons are already very tightly controlled, and are almost never used in crimes.

Yes, sorry. Growing up we always referred to semiautomatics as automatics. I know we've had that conversation here before, but I can't remember if it is a regional thing, a hunter thing, or just a me thing.

And thanks for pointing it out. I had time to go back and fix it.

 

[BStrong]

The punchline to the joke is that the non-NFA AR platform rifles manufactured by foreign companies are manufactured here in the U.S, and manufacturers that do manufacture them outside the U.S. have U.S. manufacturing facilities they can easily use for domestic production.

It's a time-honored political tactic - propose a solution to a non-existent problem.

 

[Dr. Keith]

The punchline to the joke is that the non-NFA AR platform rifles manufactured by foreign companies are manufactured here in the U.S, and manufacturers that do manufacture them outside the U.S. have U.S. manufacturing facilities they can easily use for domestic production.

It's a time-honored political tactic - propose a solution to a non-existent problem.

Of course, but that won't stop us from having a general gun discussion in any and every thread that has any connection with guns.

 

[Cainkane1]

If elected, she'll ban imports of AR-15 rifles...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-would-ban-ar-15-style-assault-weapons-imports-source/

California Sen. Kamala Harris will announce at a campaign stop Wednesday that she would use executive action to ban imports of AR-15 style assault weapons if elected president, a senior campaign official tells CBS News.

She just said it at the debate.

You can count on one hand the foreign manufacturers of AR rifles. Sounds good though.

She's thinking of the SKS rifles made by China and the AK 47 made by Russia. If assault weapons are ever banned bad guys will have no problems getting an excellent knockoff of the AR 15 made by Taurus in Brazile.

 

[BStrong]

Of course, but that won't stop us from having a general gun discussion in any and every thread that has any connection with guns.

This reminds of the politician in Berkeley that stated that now that California has banned high-capacity magazines it was time to ban high-capacity ammunition.

 

[Dr. Keith]

This reminds of the politician in Berkeley that stated that now that California has banned high-capacity magazines it was time to ban high-capacity ammunition.

Yes, I hear the ultra high capacity ammunition was a big part of why the Las Vegas shooter was so deadly.

 

[Joe Random]

Yes, I hear the ultra high capacity ammunition was a big part of why the Las Vegas shooter was so deadly.

Didn't realize you could make MIRVs that small. Hell yeah we need to ban those in civilian hands!

 

[rockinkt]

Yes, sorry. Growing up we always referred to semiautomatics as automatics. I know we've had that conversation here before, but I can't remember if it is a regional thing, a hunter thing, or just a me thing.

And thanks for pointing it out. I had time to go back and fix it.

With respect - it is a factual thing.

 

[rockinkt]

This reminds of the politician in Berkeley that stated that now that California has banned high-capacity magazines it was time to ban high-capacity ammunition.

Sounds like a politician with a low capacity mind...

 

[Tormac]

I guess if you don't want to say out loud that you want to start removing amendments from the bill of rights, things like that sound better.

 

[Trebuchet]

If elected, she'll ban imports of AR-15 rifles...

Wow. That's right up there with DeBlasio's robot tax.

 

[BStrong]

I guess if you don't want to say out loud that you want to start removing amendments from the bill of rights, things like that sound better.

It was pretty clear last night that few candidates see the 2nd amendment as any impediment to banning ugly black rifles.

 

[Ranb]

It was pretty clear last night that few candidates see the 2nd amendment as any impediment to banning ugly black rifles.

It has been that way since 1934. A poll tax is bad, so is taxing guns many times what they are worth.

 

[dudalb]

Excuse the epression, but a lot of gun control advocates shoot themselves in the foot through their ignorance about firearms...

 

[dudalb]

Start with the low-hanging fruit. Everyone knows that getting the handguns out of the hands of the gangs will be much, much harder. Remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

I see that almost no AR 15s are imported into America zipped right by your head.

 

[BStrong]

It has been that way since 1934. A poll tax is bad, so is taxing guns many times what they are worth.

"Nobody is going to take way your guns."

Except the ones that are scary, the ones that are too small, the ones that are too big...

One little fact that the general populace isn't hip to, and even many firearms owners, is that there is a federal 11% excise tax on all firearms and ammunition:

https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/pittman-robertson-wildlife-conservation-fund

In the weeks since the horrific Valentine’s Day massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High in Parkland, Florida, conversations about gun control have dominated much of the national discourse. All eyes are locked on firearms—who’s buying them and how, and what is the degree to which the gun industry’s dollars play a role in our political system? But here’s something you might have missed: Four days before the March for Our Lives, the federal government distributed $1.1 billion in tax dollars extracted from gun sales to state agencies. The money was earmarked for a specific purpose: wildlife conservation.

This may be surprising, but it isn’t new. The lion’s share of funding for state wildlife conservation programs comes from the sale of guns, ammunition, and other hunting supplies, thanks to an 80-year-old piece of legislation called the Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act, also known as the Pittman-Robertson Act.

P-R isn't just a tax on firearms/ammo, it covers just about every type of camping/fishing/outdoor recreation equipment.

The next time a politician paints gun companies as evil entities only interested in profit, ask the pol in question if they'd be willing to part with P-R money.

 

[Dr. Keith]

The next time a politician paints gun companies as evil entities only interested in profit, ask the pol in question if they'd be willing to part with P-R money.

I bet O'Rourke would answer that rather quickly.

 

[Dr. Keith]

With respect - it is a factual thing.

Agreed. But I think it was common terminology among hunters I grew up with to refer to semi-automatic shotguns and rifles as "autos". The only pistols we used were revolvers, so I'm not sure if they referred to semi-automatic pistols as "autos".

 

[crescent]

Agreed. But I think it was common terminology among hunters I grew up with to refer to semi-automatic shotguns and rifles as "autos". The only pistols we used were revolvers, so I'm not sure if they referred to semi-automatic pistols as "autos".

In the old Mike Hammer books, and other detective novels of the era, semi-automatic pistols were definitely referred to as "automatics". I've linked to and quoted the books a number of times in the forum, it is one of those things that the gun-control discussions keep circling back to. Fully automatic guns at the time seem to have usually just been called "machine guns". Calling a pistol and "automatic" without any further description would have caused the listener to think the speaker was discussing a semi-auto pistol.