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There Will be Blood: Boston's Straight Pride Parade.

uke2se said:
Please present one person who identifies as a Nazi and opposes genocide in any form.
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As I've said, I don't know of any who openly advocate it. None. That's why they usually call themselves neos or something similar. If someone does not advocate something horrific, it's fair to assume they don't, unless you can show otherwise. Do I have to demonstrate that Germans don't advocate Naziism? I mean hey, they used to, so we can assume they still do, right? That is the logic you present here.

Seriously, this referring to some faceless generic Nazi is fruitless. Pick one of some kind of prominence, and we can scrutinize them. I really can't argue the specific beliefs of random caricatures.

uke2se said:
It's called psychoanalysis. There have been studies done on this. That you would label it "poop" shows immaturity and quite a bit of insecurity in your own position.
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My wife is a psychologist. I have respect for the discipline. Luchog's paperback analysis trivializes a legitimate science. No professional would ever attempt to analyze someone's psyche from some online posts.

That said, yes, I am immature. Not so immature as to pose as a psychoanalyst on a discussion board, though.
 
dann said:
Thermal is thinking of people who have no idea what National Socialism was and is and who just use the Swastika to show 'the squares' how tough they are. Some biker gangs used to do that back in the 1960s and '70s, and we've already heard more than enough about the Surf Nazi.
In many ways, examples like this are similar to Baylor's example with prince Harry, who attended a fancy dress party wearing what was supposed to look like a Nazi uniform.

So let's take their childish objections seriously and tell them that, yes, you can dress up to look like a Nazi without being one, but if you're at a rally organized by Nazis and not at a fancy dress ball wearing Nazi insignia, it's very unlikely that you're not a Nazi.
Thermal ought to know better ...
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Thermal does. You're not reading Thermal's posts. Thermal is arguing something a little different than you are assuming.

dann said:
By now, you ought to know that Thermal will object to the definition, "one who espouses the beliefs and policies of the German Nazis," because American Nazis can't be Nazis since they want to make America great again, not Germany. And unless you think that it would be a good idea to annex the Sudetenland and invade England, Poland, France and Russia, you can't even be a real German Nazi. And since Russia was the Soviet Union back then and the USSR no longer exists, National Socialism has been rendered impossible!
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Not even close. My impromptu description (that you would have noticed if you were actually reading) does not reference Germany. Because a modern Nazi would not be restricted to 1930's Germany.

I didn't bother to point out to johnny karate that my description summarizes the beliefs of the German Nazis pretty well (although I wasn't even providing a definition). I just removed 'German' to make it more modern day applicable. But that might have made Mr karate feel a little stupid for not noticing that.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Is there an actual point to this gymnastics?
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Gymnastics are fun. This is getting silly.

But if the wise johnny karate would like to restrict the definition to the belief of German Nazis, so be it. Pretty stupid and counterproductive, but whatever. I thought the whole fascist ethnostate was more applicable, but so be it.
 
What's fun, and I hope deeply disturbing to actual neo-Nazis, is that both actual Nazi gear and skinhead fashion have been adopted and fetishized by a slice of the gay population. A Tumblr full of guys dressed as Nazis is more likely to be a gay porn collection than a racial political one. While this trend is disturbing on several levels I can't help but find deeply funny the thought of genuine Nazi admirers being misled by appearances and stumbling into quite an unexpected crowd.
 
Darat said:
Yeah, it appears that Nazis are only to be considered Nazis once they've successfully killed millions of their fellow citizens, oh and invaded Poland.
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They also have to have strong opinions about the political economy of the Ruhr valley.
 
Darat said:
Yeah, it appears that Nazis are only to be considered Nazis once they've successfully killed millions of their fellow citizens, oh and invaded Poland.
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According to johnny karate. I don't think anyone else thinks that.

Or are we down to deliberately misrepresenting other's arguments and strawmen?

Nevermind. Rhetorical question. Serious discussion left the building a while ago.
 
Thermal said:
According to johnny karate. I don't think anyone else thinks that.



Or are we down to deliberately misrepresenting other's arguments and strawmen?



Nevermind. Rhetorical question. Serious discussion left the building a while ago.
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You have made it abundantly clear that you believe that unless Nazis are in political power we shouldn't be calling Nazis Nazis.

ETA I don't believe the above is a straw man, for example just above these posts you posted:

....Seriously, this referring to some faceless generic Nazi is fruitless. Pick one of some kind of prominence, and we can scrutinize them....
 
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Darat said:
You have made it abundantly clear that you believe that unless Nazis are in political power we shouldn't be calling Nazis Nazis.

ETA I don't believe the above is a straw man, for example just above these posts you posted:

....Seriously, this referring to some faceless generic Nazi is fruitless. Pick one of some kind of prominence, and we can scrutinize them....
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That's a lie. I have never, ever, not even once even suggested that they had to be in power. The dishonesty in these arguments is going over the top.

I have said...repeatedly...that Nazism is first and foremost a political desire for a fascist ethnostate. You guys are equating any white supremacist with Nazism. It's just factually wrong.

And yes, I encourage anyone to pick one of prominence. Do you know what that means? It means not some toothless schmuck in the backwoods of Kentucky. Someone who is enough of a public figure that we can analyze their position.

But you continue to misrepresent, and now outright lie, about my position. Which oddly, is more hard left than most of you except that I don't call white power twats a political party.
 
Darat said:
You have made it abundantly clear that you believe that unless Nazis are in political power we shouldn't be calling Nazis Nazis.
ETA I don't believe the above is a straw man, for example just above these posts you posted:

....Seriously, this referring to some faceless generic Nazi is fruitless. Pick one of some kind of prominence, and we can scrutinize them....
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That's the same impression I've had as well. Unless they're in enough power to actually start eliminating people, then they aren't nazi's that believe in genocide. They're...something, something tiny penis or some such nonsense.

Minoosh said:
No, it can't. Hate speech is protected speech.

The last ruling was in 2017 and it's not a near thing; the ruling was unanimous.
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That they haven't done it is not evidence that they couldn't do it.
 
plague311 said:
That's the same impression I've had as well. Unless they're in enough power to actually start eliminating people, then they aren't nazi's that believe in genocide. They're...something, something tiny penis or some such nonsense.



That they haven't done it is not evidence that they couldn't do it.
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Nope. They just need to believe in a fascist ethnostate. Presumably they would be working towards that goal, but they need not have any success whatsoever in acheiving it.

If you read that in, read more carefully. You're projecting a boogeyman argument onto me
 
Thermal said:
Nope. They just need to believe in a fascist ethnostate. Presumably they would be working towards that goal, but they need not have any success whatsoever in acheiving it.

If you read that in, read more carefully. You're projecting a boogeyman argument onto me
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There was a link to a podcast that documented that very requirement. That you either refuse to listen to it, refuse to acknowledge it, or refuse to provide a solid argument against isn't everyone else's problem. You've then changed it to mean that people in power have to believe that (which their is in King, and even Trump to some level). Now I'm not sure where this argument has gone to as it seems to grow legs sporadically.

What are your requirements now?
 
Supreme court of MA rules that Judge Sinnott has no authority to force prosecutors to charge, citing obvious separations of powers. It's a decision that shocks no one, and it is absurd that such a ruling was necessary. Judge Sinnott was clearly abusing his position or is incompetent in the law. Either way, he should be removed from the bench.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/09/09/sjc-justice-rules-favor-suffolk-district-attorney-rollins-feud-with-boston-municipal-court-judge/mHPnRgxKXT7yaTdJaGhXiO/story.html?event=event25
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Supreme court of MA rules that Judge Sinnott has no authority to force prosecutors to charge, citing obvious separations of powers. It's a decision that shocks no one, and it is absurd that such a ruling was necessary. Judge Sinnott was clearly abusing his position or is incompetent in the law. Either way, he should be removed from the bench.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/09/09/sjc-justice-rules-favor-suffolk-district-attorney-rollins-feud-with-boston-municipal-court-judge/mHPnRgxKXT7yaTdJaGhXiO/story.html?event=event25
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I'm not familiar with the process to do this but I wholeheartedly agree.
 
Thermal said:
Nope. They just need to believe in a fascist ethnostate. Presumably they would be working towards that goal, but they need not have any success whatsoever in acheiving it.

If you read that in, read more carefully. You're projecting a boogeyman argument onto me
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And why do you think their ethnostate is non fascist?
 
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