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Pixel42 said:
It gives time for an election. Either we get another hung Parliament, and are still in the same fix, or we get a Parliament that can actually manage to agree on something (a deal, another referendum, a no deal crash out). The latter would at least resolve the situation get us out of the current impasse.
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The chances of an agreed within Parliament deal with the EU is nil, with no sign of that changing with an election.

There was some hope (not shared by me) that a change of Tory leader would result in a deal, but that has quickly come to nothing.
 
Strawberry said:
It would give time for a general election with the possibility of a different government that would negotiate a different deal with the EU.
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There is no party that can get a majority in Parliament that can also get an agreement as to what deal there should be. Labour is as spilt as the Tories as to what to do.

The only united parties are the Lib Dems and SNP and they want to stay, so would not help negotiate a deal.

If a government was made up of a coalition, it definitely could not agree on a deal.
 
Nessie said:
The chances of an agreed within Parliament deal with the EU is nil, with no sign of that changing with an election.
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Depends who wins. A Norway style deal might conceivably be negotiated by a Labour majority (or Lab/LD majority) government, and then be approved by a second referendum.
 
catsmate said:
Eh, no.

I think quite a number of Welsh, Scots, Liverpudlians et cetera would disagree.

I suggest some research on Tonypandy, Red Clydeside the military occupation of Liverpool in 1919 and so on is in order.


ETA: It's interesting how many UKian posters in this thread seem utterly ignorant of the use of troops, tanks and warships in suppressing civil unrest in Britain.
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Tonypandy, a police operation with some military back up to try and scare miners, which did not work.
Red Clydeside, the Battle of George Square was a police operation where the army was posted again to try and scare the workers, which did not work.
By the military occupation of Liverpool, do you mean the deployment of the military when the police went on strike?

All nothing like Peterloo.
 
Pixel42 said:
Depends who wins. A Norway style deal might conceivably be negotiated by a Labour majority (or Lab/LD majority) government, and then be approved by a second referendum.
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I just do not see the Lib/Dems agreeing to negotiate a leave deal. They still remember their near destruction after they compromised on education fees.
 
I am not sure if this is true;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49618242

"MPs, including Tories expelled from the party, are preparing legal action in case the PM refuses to seek a delay to Brexit.

A bill requiring Boris Johnson to ask for an extension to the UK's departure date to avoid a no-deal Brexit on 31 October is set to gain royal assent.

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Legal experts have warned the prime minister could go to prison if he refuses to comply with the new law."
 
Darat said:
The party of law and order eh?
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Yeah, if there is anything that we in the West have established - England and Britain more often in the forefront than not - it's the rule of law. If he really would flaunt the parliament in the name of populist passion it would absolutely be something totally revolutionary and unprecedented. These really are the strangest of times.
 
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jimbob said:
Meanwhile over in the Telegraph from Thursday:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...rre-general-election-u-turn-sign-party-chaos/

Which is one view of the situation, I suppose...
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Weird business. If the opposition made such a terrible mistake in turning down the GE offer, then Johnson's offer was at least equally mistaken. Corbyn et al didn't fall into the trap.

The Telegraph is whistling in the dark, as they must. There's no positive spin to put on the Govt. performance of late. Even dyed-in-the-wool Tories are slating this shambles.
 
jimbob said:
Meanwhile over in the Telegraph from Thursday:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...rre-general-election-u-turn-sign-party-chaos/



Which is one view of the situation, I suppose...
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This sort of stuff makes me weep, the telegraph editor/people in charge know why labour is doing what it is doing, but their agenda is to misinform their readers.
It had a massive impact on the referendum itself, as EU bashing was something certain papers and the governments had been doing for years.

I think people should use 2 different sources for their news, never 1. Echo chambers are bad.
 
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Nessie said:
Tonypandy, a police operation with some military back up to try and scare miners, which did not work.
Red Clydeside, the Battle of George Square was a police operation where the army was posted again to try and scare the workers, which did not work.
By the military occupation of Liverpool, do you mean the deployment of the military when the police went on strike?

All nothing like Peterloo.
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And yet troops were deployed to Wales, hundreds of them, with a government willing to use them against unarmed civilians. The bitterness is still there.

In Scotland troops, artillery, armoured care and tanks were deployed with the intent of using them if needed.

As for Liverpool I'm referring to the deployment of the Vanguard, with orders to bombard the city "if necessary", and the landing of hundreds of marines and sailors.
 
GlennB said:
Weird business. If the opposition made such a terrible mistake in turning down the GE offer, then Johnson's offer was at least equally mistaken. Corbyn et al didn't fall into the trap.

The Telegraph is whistling in the dark, as they must. There's no positive spin to put on the Govt. performance of late. Even dyed-in-the-wool Tories are slating this shambles.
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Yes, after all it's not a difficult concept to say that Johnson has to own his self-imposed deadline.
 
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