Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

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Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Did you hear him prattling on about the caution?

Either drunk, on drugs or cracking up. Or all 3.
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Yep, just watched the whole thing. Painful and scary. ****. My guess would be drugs.

John Crace in The Guardian :

"Boris Johnson’s speech at a police academy in Wakefield was the ******** to end all ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. It made his dystopian performances at the dispatch box over the previous two days look like models of sanity and coherence"
 
Nessie said:
At this rate, the Tories will by BJ, J R-M and some elderly toff who has fallen asleep and not realised everyone else has gone.
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I do wonder if this could be like the 1922 moment, when a major party split and collapsed.
 
GlennB said:
Yep, just watched the whole thing. Painful and scary. ****. My guess would be drugs.

John Crace in The Guardian :

"Boris Johnson’s speech at a police academy in Wakefield was the ******** to end all ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. It made his dystopian performances at the dispatch box over the previous two days look like models of sanity and coherence"
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Yes, John Crace was h
scathing about May, but has been utterly brutal about Johnson.
 
jimbob said:
I do wonder if this could be like the 1922 moment, when a major party split and collapsed.
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If it is, you can only bet it will be replaced by something far worse.

I hear Farage has set a new Guinness record for longest time holding a smile.
 
The Atheist said:
If it is, you can only bet it will be replaced by something far worse.

I hear Farage has set a new Guinness record for longest time holding a smile.
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Farage is like a mosquito - seems important, but is really just an irritation.
 
GlennB said:
Farage is like a mosquito - seems important, but is really just an irritation.
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He's not radical enough for the real hard core anti immigrant crowd who think he has sold out,but brings way to much baggage for the mainstream tories. Even Bojo does not want to be seen in his company.
 
And Bojo's choice of Rees Mogg as Tory leader seems to have become a disaster. pretty clear most Tories don't like him. In fact, the choice shows how clueless Boris is. Picking somebody more acceptable to mainstream tories would have been the smart move, but Boris has to make a big splash instead by picking a fringe member of the party.
 
Lothian said:
Boris said he would 'rather be dead in a ditch than ask for a brexit extension". It seems a big story but I am fairly ambivalent about which one he goes for.
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I see no reason this needs to be an either/or proposition.

Of course if there was a lot of Russian money funneled into the Brexit Campaign "dead in a ditch" might not be the worst fate on offer.
 
Listening to Rory Stewart on LBC (on catch up, it was a day or two ago) and he calls for the WA as a compromise between leavers and remainers. Which seems reasonable until.you compare it to what was offered.

Leave offered a "great" deal, a "better" deal and persuaded 52% to vote for it, then switched to no-deal. Bearing in mind how close the vote was how is the 48% agreeing to something worse than what the 52% said they wanted 'compromise'?

Even if May's deal was the 'Great' deal promised, that would mean the the 'compromise' between Leave and Remain was exactly what Leave said they wanted, forced through with the threat "argue and you get something much worse".

I think this sets another terrible precedent.
 
dudalb said:
And Bojo's choice of Rees Mogg as Tory leader seems to have become a disaster. pretty clear most Tories don't like him. In fact, the choice shows how clueless Boris is. Picking somebody more acceptable to mainstream tories would have been the smart move, but Boris has to make a big splash instead by picking a fringe member of the party.
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Rees Mogg is all toff and no substance.
 
The political walkabout is a staple in the diet of the campaigning politician. And, despite dodging the odd egg or milkshake being considered an occupational hazard, it’s a task*Boris Johnson*has relished. He may wish he had not bothered on Thursday.

Because, where Gordon Brown had his “bigoted woman” and Ed Miliband had his bacon sandwich, the prime minister has a “please leave my town”.

Johnson was approached by a member of the public while in Morely in Leeds. The man smiled and greeted the prime minister with a handshake, before politely asking him to leave his town. “I will, very soon,” replied Johnson, as the man clapped him on his back and walked away.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...wry-for-johnson-in-straight-talking-yorkshire

BJ is at the time of his life, having already begun planning his coronation ceremony as the king of the world, when these filthy commoners ruin his day.
 
Lothian said:
Boris said he would 'rather be dead in a ditch than ask for a brexit extension". It seems a big story but I am fairly ambivalent about which one he goes for.
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I'd like to compromise and offer "both" as something we can all enjoy.

McHrozni
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Listening to Rory Stewart on LBC (on catch up, it was a day or two ago) and he calls for the WA as a compromise between leavers and remainers. Which seems reasonable until.you compare it to what was offered.

Leave offered a "great" deal, a "better" deal and persuaded 52% to vote for it, then switched to no-deal. Bearing in mind how close the vote was how is the 48% agreeing to something worse than what the 52% said they wanted 'compromise'?

Even if May's deal was the 'Great' deal promised, that would mean the the 'compromise' between Leave and Remain was exactly what Leave said they wanted, forced through with the threat "argue and you get something much worse".

I think this sets another terrible precedent.
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Indeed. A Norway-style Brexit, with CU, would be an acceptable compromise.

The funny thing about all this is that Norway-style Brexit with CU is still entirely possible, even if WA is ratified. WA is just the terms of how UK is to withdraw from EU, how things remain the same until the end of 2020, when a new relationship is supposed to kick in.
A Norway-style Berxit with CU would be entirely possible, if British politicians could sell it to the electorate. Given the circumstances they might as well be building fusion-powered invisible pink unicorns with two horns.

McHrozni
 
GlennB said:
Seems to me that Johnson's rule is crumbling almost by the hour. He's being slated for calling a press conference with a backdrop of police trainees (waiting in the sun while he starts an hour late - one or two distressed coppers feeling faint), then talking utter carp. Meanwhile his N.I. minister has stepped down.

Perhaps he'll prorogue himself?
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Does that come with salt and vinegar?
 
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