MAGA brats mock Native American with "build the wall" chants

xjx388 said:
You are calling people out for being racists but you have no problem using words like “towel-head”, “beaner” or “spick.” Interesting.
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Watch, say, Django Unchained. Modern art in which whites use the offensive N-word. When a valid point is being made, the use of a pejorative not intended to be an attack is not taken as an attack. By thinking people.
 
xjx388 said:
Please explain what went over my head. If I were black and you used the n-word in any context would that be cool? No, it wouldn’t because the word would be nothing but asterisks.

So why is it OK to use the words you used, which are just as offensive to Mexican-Americans and Arab-Americans in any context?
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It's okay because he's a liberal, and uses those words in a hipster, ironic way.
 
Lurch said:
Watch, say, Django Unchained. Modern art in which whites use the offensive N-word. When a valid point is being made, the use of a pejorative not intended to be an attack is not taken as an attack. By thinking people.
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Your argument, then, is that intent is what’s important to thinking people? So if a white liberal ally walks up to a group of black people and says, “What’s up, my n-words,” with nothing but the same friendly and convivial intent black people often greet each other with, the black people should understand that . . . I mean, if they are thinking people, right?

Or maybe that white liberal ally understands that he isn’t an actor in a historical movie and that he shouldn’t use that word ever, no matter his intent?
 
Belz... said:
What argument? I'm asking you to define "racism" in your words. Are you going to pony up at some point?
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prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
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And your hyper rationalized little world, voting for a president who does this to people because you like his other policies somehow does not meet this definition? Whatever you have to tell yourself there dude.
 
Oh, for **** sake! Get a new playbook, righties. "I'm not the racist, you are!" That's so mature. Sorta like, "No, you're the puppet!", that moment of sophistication in the debates.

If the clown brigade is to be believed, Swift actually thought it was a good idea to eat the Irish. Are you really here, declaring for all to see, that you cannot read for comprehension?

This just shows that you're intellectually and morally bankrupt. You are so shell-shocked from having to rally around your standard-bearer and his racist, bigoted, xenophobic regime that you will try anything to win points.

Unlike Donnie Johnny I'm not going to claim I'm the least racist person on the planet, because also unlike Donnie Johnny, I recognize that we all have some racism in us; it's conditioning. But being accused of that which I never did is just plain scurrilous. I know what I wrote, and people who can read know how it was used.
 
Craig4 said:
And your hyper rationalized little world
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Thanks for speaking out against rationality. :rolleyes:

voting for a president who does this to people because you like his other policies somehow does not meet this definition?
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You just provided the evidence to contradict yourself!

Voting for someone, either despite that person's racism or by ignoring it, is not "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism". It may be laziness. It may be partisanship. It may be trolling. It may be a host of things but it's not hatred or discrimination directed at minorities. That's why I asked you for your definition, but by providing the actual definition rather than your own, you shot yourself in the foot.

Whatever you have to tell yourself there dude.
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And what would that be? Haven't I made it very obvious how much I despise Trump and his cronies, and the GOP in general? You really need to calm down here. Not everybody who disagrees with you is the enemy.

I get it. You want all Trump voters to be racist by definition so you don't need to think any further about whatever their issues or politics may be. It's easier to just label and dismiss them. Isn't it enough that many of them ARE racists, that they voted for a racist, and that their choice had negative consequences for the US and the world?
 
Belz... said:
Thanks for speaking out against rationality. :rolleyes:



You just provided the evidence to contradict yourself!

Voting for someone, either despite that person's racism or by ignoring it, is not "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism". It may be laziness. It may be partisanship. It may be trolling. It may be a host of things but it's not hatred or discrimination directed at minorities. That's why I asked you for your definition, but by providing the actual definition rather than your own, you shot yourself in the foot.



And what would that be? Haven't I made it very obvious how much I despise Trump and his cronies, and the GOP in general? You really need to calm down here. Not everybody who disagrees with you is the enemy.

I get it. You want all Trump voters to be racist by definition so you don't need to think any further about whatever their issues or politics may be. It's easier to just label and dismiss them. Isn't it enough that many of them ARE racists, that they voted for a racist, and that their choice had negative consequences for the US and the world?
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If this is how you have to ease your conscience for supporting a racist do what you have to do to sleep at night. It doesn't make your vote less racist.
 
Craig4 said:
If this is how you have to ease your conscience for supporting a racist do what you have to do to sleep at night.
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Was that a general you or were you addressing me directly?

As for supporting a racist, sure. You can do that indirectly in a number of ways. But you still haven't explained how doing that indirectly makes you a racist. You even quoted the definition of racism, and the criteria it enumerates are not met by these actions. If you think it's otherwise, how about you make a case for that rather than make hysterical posts?

It doesn't make your vote less racist.
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Again: unsupported assertion. Does someone support red ties when they vote for Trump, too?
 
This is exactly the sort of exchange I had in mind when I wrote this in another thread :

Far too often posters seem to want to put any given person (either poster here or some public figure) into one of only two available camps with no room for nuanced disagreement. So yeah, I'm going to reject the notion that, say, everything that everyone white does is driven by systematic racism. But that doesn't mean I follow up with "therefore let's give tax cuts to the rich and outlaw abortion". It's seeing and treating everyone as either all <x> or all <y> that's the problem.
 
Belz... said:
Was that a general you or were you addressing me directly?

As for supporting a racist, sure. You can do that indirectly in a number of ways. But you still haven't explained how doing that indirectly makes you a racist. You even quoted the definition of racism, and the criteria it enumerates are not met by these actions. If you think it's otherwise, how about you make a case for that rather than make hysterical posts?



Again: unsupported assertion. Does someone support red ties when they vote for Trump, too?
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How does doing it indirectly not make you a racist? You've already betrayed your country by giving it to a dirty Russian whore. We're just discussing what else is wrong with your betrayal. Trump supporters aren't like us. They aren't real Americans.
 
Travis said:
Shortly after Trump won the election, and I was busy finding doomsday prep types to start hanging out with, I was with my friend who was getting married soon. He started talking about how he might have kids with his soon to be wife. I told him he was crazy to bring a kid into the world of Trump
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This is a story about kids that have gone to the side of evil and embraced MAGA.


Two days ago there was a rally for forced birth degenerates in Washington DC. That same day some Native Americans decided to have a vigil with songs near the Vietnam Memorial (which is also near the Lincoln Memorial) and some kids from a high school in Kentucky, Covington Catholic, wandered over from the debauchery of the forced birth rally to inflict some misery on the Native Americans.


https://twitter.com/UncededClothing/status/1086510180328722434


They surrounded them. Started chanting "build the wall" and at least one of them got in real close and seemed to try and do a stare down. Thankfully the man, Nathan Philips of the Omaha Tribe (and a Vietnam veteran) chose not to engage with evil that day and just continued his song.


But this is where we are. Trump has so debased our nation and infected our children with his diseased ideas that we now have this brooding SA to inflict misery on anyone they perceive as not white enough to be MAGA. Racism given a wash of acceptability by our Cretin In Chief who, even now, continues to try and get a monument to racism built on the southern border.



It was always obvious that all roads from Trump led to a world less civil and more infused with hate. Here we are.
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Bigot - one who is utterly intorerant of others viewpoints
 
Craig4 said:
How does doing it indirectly not make you a racist?
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Because the concept doesn't make sense. Either you consider an ethnic group inferior or you don't. That your actions may affect them negatively, either thought laziness or carelessness, doesn't change that. Bias isn't racism either.

Trump supports made the wrong choice, in my opinion. They voted for a disaster. They did so, however, for a number of reasons. A depressingly significant number of them for racist reasons, others for economic reasons, or whatever. I get it, you're angry at them, but redefining "racism" to mean essentially everybody on the other team is counter-productive, on top of being ridiculous.

If "racism" means "anything that negatively affects minorities", then we'll need a new work for actual "racism".
 
Belz... said:
Because the concept doesn't make sense. Either you consider an ethnic group inferior or you don't. That your actions may affect them negatively, either thought laziness or carelessness, doesn't change that. Bias isn't racism either.

Trump supports made the wrong choice, in my opinion. They voted for a disaster. They did so, however, for a number of reasons. A depressingly significant number of them for racist reasons, others for economic reasons, or whatever. I get it, you're angry at them, but redefining "racism" to mean essentially everybody on the other team is counter-productive, on top of being ridiculous.

If "racism" means "anything that negatively affects minorities", then we'll need a new work for actual "racism".
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Given where we are now (economically and socially) if you continue to support Trump then what should that say about you? The economy is throwing up recession indicators, and social\racial tension is at an all time high. If you are still throwing your hat behind him then what should it say about said person?

It can only boil down to a few things:

A) That person is an ignorant ******* moron that has no social or economic awareness.
B) The person is so partisan that it really doesn't matter what Trump does because they're only supporting the Republican Party
C) The person truly agrees with Trump and supports his views

None of them are good.
 
Belz... said:
Well I have a number of choice words that would be against the MA to post given that some of the members here continue to support him, but racist isn't one of them.
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Hey, you do you.

If there's Trump supporters who personally aren't racist, at the very least they feel supporting unabashed racism is an acceptable price for getting whatever it is they do want out of him; so honestly "racist, not-racist" becomes more like splitting hairs at this juncture.

I can no longer accept as credible or even reasonable the hypothesis that some Trump supporters are genuinely unaware that he champions racist policies and openly courts the approval of white supremacists.
 
I'm calling voting for Trump racist regardless of the motivation. Even if I'm being unfair (which I'm not) why do you care? They're just Trump supporters.
 
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