Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

[McHrozni]

The things he apparently likes about a Norway style solution is that they don't have to abide by all the rules and they have control over their fishing rights. We know this because he kept mentioning it.

The fact that he doesn't mention the four freedoms, claims (erroneously) that Norway's contributions go directly to poorer EU countries without Brussels being involved and doesn't mention the vast range of EU rules that Norway does have to abide by means that deliberately, or through ignorance, or a combination of both he is still promoting an "all the advantages and none of the responsibilities" relationship with the EU.

Of course this is deliberate, otherwise he'd clear his position to something more tangable by now. That doesn't mean we shouldn't use every opportunity we're given to support a feather Brexit using direct quotes of Nigel Farage.

Irony is my favorite type of humor. If it's also useful in humiliating someone, be it Farage or a wannabe Brexiteer 'pundit', then even better.

Also, those comments were made a couple of years ago, the equivalent to several lifetimes ago in human years.

Hehe

McHrozni

 

[Tolls]

So will the Brexit Party and LibDem MEP's have to forfeit their comfortable salaries and expenses?

From News Now Finland

UK officials and diplomats != MEPs

 

[Darat]

If they pay for their own healthcare?



Sure, why not?



McHrozni

Because they won't be able to afford it.

 

[The Don]

Because they won't be able to afford it.

I'm sure that in the eyes of Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg and the other exceptionally well-heeled Brexit supporters, the inability of most ex-pats to suddenly be able to afford to pay hundreds or even thousands of euro a month for private healthcare is a regrettable oversight on their part and an unfortunate side-effect of their being unable to build up a multi-million euro retirement nest-egg.

 

[Information Analyst]

And here people said there were no check points on the Irish border. Or is this yet another "The Irish don't count as being EU members" thing?

The Irish count as British in legal terms - and vice versa - for almost a century. The issue isn't Irish citizens, but other EU citizens in Ireland.

 

[Darat]

Yep Boris is pulling a Blazing Saddles holding a gun to the head of the country and saying "do what we want or the limies get it!"

Yep, as the EU stands watching him walk backwards to the cliff edge....

 

[Darat]

It should do. All passports are scanned at the UK border for everybody who comes and goes.

No they aren't. You may have missed this as it is really obscure and no one really mentions it but there is a border between the UK and Ireland on the island of Ireland that allows free travel with no border checks of any kind.

 

[Darat]

Why single out the LibDems ?

Especially since they got there campaigning to stay in the EU.

 

[Information Analyst]

I think it also just shows the utter contempt England still has for Ireland in some areas of the political spectrum. They will take a massive risk in Ireland for the sake having complete control over what is left of their Empire. MEGA.

Wait... what?!

 

[The Don]

Wait... what?!

It seems that almost all of the impetus for Brexit is coming from politicians who are English, the concerns relate to England and the attitudes expressed towards Ireland are English rather than British.

 

[Dave Rogers]

It seems that almost all of the impetus for Brexit is coming from politicians who are English, the concerns relate to England and the attitudes expressed towards Ireland are English rather than British.

To be fair, Wales seems to have been as much pro-Brexit as England.

Dave

 

[ponderingturtle]

The Irish count as British in legal terms - and vice versa - for almost a century. The issue isn't Irish citizens, but other EU citizens in Ireland.

Except of course that the border is an EU border and needs to be treated as an EU border like with France. As for how tenable that is with them not being in the EU time will tell, America had issues only letting Visa free travel for some of the EU nations and not all.

 

[The Don]

To be fair, Wales seems to have been as much pro-Brexit as England.

Dave

In terms of the referendum result, you're right, but the prime movers behind the Brexit movement are overwhelmingly English and the patronising attitude adopted by Conservative politicians towards the Irish seems peculiarly English to me.

 

[Lothian]

It seems that almost all of the impetus for Brexit is coming from politicians who are English, the concerns relate to England and the attitudes expressed towards Ireland are English rather than British.

Don't forget* the Secretary for the No deal Brexit; Michael Gove.


* It will be important come the revolution when we line the guilty up against the wall.,

 

[Information Analyst]

Except of course that the border is an EU border and needs to be treated as an EU border like with France. As for how tenable that is with them not being in the EU time will tell, America had issues only letting Visa free travel for some of the EU nations and not all.

You seem to have completely missed the point of why you were wrong in referring to, "The Irish don't count as being EU members." The reality is that the Irish enjoy a special status in the UK that other EU citizens don't. In fact, in that context it's more the case that, "the Irish count as being more than EU members."

 

[ponderingturtle]

You seem to have completely missed the point in why you were wrong in referring to "The Irish don't count as being EU members." The reality is that the Irish enjoy a special status in the UK that other EU citizens don't. In fact, in that context it's more the case that "the Irish count for being more than EU members."

And that is a somewhat problematic thing for the EU to agree to. But why should those laws be any safer than all the ones about open borders that the vote was against? How separable are individual nations with regards to deals with other nations from the EU as a whole?

 

[lomiller]

I think it also just shows the utter contempt England still has for Ireland in some areas of the political spectrum. They will take a massive risk in Ireland for the sake having complete control over what is left of their Empire. MEGA.

Taking Ireland for granted will end badly for the UK. Ireland is an EU nation and will have EU backing if a non-EU nation tries to put political/economic pressure on them. Ireland is also a fairly wealthy country at this point with per capital GDP close to double that of the UK. That could grow even further post Brexit as it’s a possible landing spot for many of the financial services likely to leave the UK post Brexit.

 

[The Don]

Taking Ireland for granted will end badly for the UK. Ireland is an EU nation and will have EU backing if a non-EU nation tries to put political/economic pressure on them. Ireland is also a fairly wealthy country at this point with per capital GDP close to double that of the UK. That could grow even further post Brexit as it’s a possible landing spot for many of the financial services likely to leave the UK post Brexit.

I was surprised by that bit and so had a quick look - and I should never have doubted lomiller

2018 Ireland per capita GDP: $75k (up over 10% on previous year)
2018 UK per capita GDP: $42k (up over 5% on previous year)

Source: http://statisticstimes.com/economy/european-countries-by-gdp-per-capita.php

Those increases seem awfully high in both cases given the modest total GDP growth in the year.

 

[catsmate]

Has DUP had anything to say on the current course of action?

No Surrender. No Gays. No Catholics. No Abortion. No Pope.

 

[catsmate]

No they aren't. You may have missed this as it is really obscure and no one really mentions it but there is a border between the UK and Ireland on the island of Ireland that allows free travel with no border checks of any kind.

I drove over it a few weeks ago by mistake.