Jeffrey Epstein arrested for child sex trafficking

Arcade22 said:
cullennz said:
Far out

It is either extremely dodgy or the mother load of all badly run prisons

I didn't even think you could hang yourself with the sheets they use these days
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Well i guess we should defer to your no doubt extensive experience with prison bed-sheets.
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I agree it is likely that few of us here would question cullennz's professed familiarity with prison sheets. I certainly would hesitate to challenge his expertise.

But I can say with a certain amount of confidence that in most cases, if someone can make a sheet out of something that sheets are normally made of, I can probably make a rope out of that sheet which would suffice to suffocate somebody.

Blankets as well. Even most clothes, I suspect.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Then why don't we have to have the "Bank Robbery is about power, not greed!" talk every time we discuss a bank robbery?

"Reality is complex and the discussion therefore has to be nuanced and ultra-precise" when it's only whenever we feel like it... isn't really an argument.
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I think one reason is that some of the places people go starting with "Rape is about sex" are sort of toxic. For instance the idea that rape may be blamed to some degree on women for creating sexual arousal in the way they dress or act. Or the idea that rape may be driven by mens sexual deprivation and women owe sex to men to prevent rape.

To the extent that property crimes may be driven by deprivation (poverty) we can acknowledge that and it seems less likely to get into dystopian victim blaming. Although I suppose to libertarians, suggestions to ease poverty may sound similar to the absurd response to rape
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Pop culture media (especially police procedural dramas in this case) feature endless examples of characters with various conditions eventually culminating in a scene with low 2nd-rate acting where there's a shivering, tearful exposition about how they tried to be good, but the "urges" were too powerful and other such nonsense.

This sadly echoes the entire way we approach the nature of any sexual violence. Constantly reinforcing the idea that some preternatural urges come along causing you to "lose control" basically gives people the exact excuse they need to decide at a certain level of arousal all the rules go away. I don't doubt some people report that from their perspective, but its a farcical ego defense mechanism. It is a rationalization for dominating another person (sex is the instrument, not the real goal). The way these kinds of programs leave the rationalization hanging there without thorough rebuttal is just shameful.
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There was an episode of Law & Order Special Victims Unit in which a teenage rapist's defense attorney argued that he couldn't help himself because his brain was "wired wrong". He was sent to prison anyway, and eventually brutally assaulted and raped by another inmate. The attacker smirked and said "I couldn't help it. I guess my brain must be wired wrong.", leaving the defense attorney with a look of horror on her face at the Pandora's Box she had unintentionally opened.
 
I recall that the late sex researcher, John Money, wrote that “Rape is about sex, not power”.... Writing when the “rape is about power” was becoming a popular meme.

He also noted that rapists were hardly monolithic, and that one type almost never harmed victims but actually expected that once the sex act would be completed, the victim would fall in love with him. Often these individuals would continue to try to contact the victim afterwards, convinced they had a “relationship”.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Some sources/people are claiming that those wounds/injuries more consistent with homicide then suicide.

To what degree that is accurate I don't know.
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I get that, but I'm more interested in why it's noteworthy that he was found in a kneeling position. I hope people realize that, in order for people to kill themselves by strangulation, they don't need to make a fancy noose and hang themselves with it from the ceiling.

It's far easier to use a sink, handlebars on a bed or wall and stuff like that. If he did, then he would almost certainly be in a kneeling position because it's far easier to leverage the thing you are strangling yourself with your muscles that way.

This is why detention facilities have to go out of their way to make certain rooms more or less "suicide proof": there can't be anything there that they can use to strangle themselves nor can there be sharp edges.
 
Bikewer said:
I recall that the late sex researcher, John Money, wrote that “Rape is about sex, not power”.... Writing when the “rape is about power” was becoming a popular meme.

He also noted that rapists were hardly monolithic, and that one type almost never harmed victims but actually expected that once the sex act would be completed, the victim would fall in love with him. Often these individuals would continue to try to contact the victim afterwards, convinced they had a “relationship”.
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I've always thought when this sort of discussion comes up that it's pretty silly to assume that all rapists have the same motivation.
 
Arcade22 said:
I get that, but I'm more interested in why it's noteworthy that he was found in a kneeling position. I hope people realize that, in order for people to kill themselves by strangulation, they don't need to make a fancy noose and hang themselves with it from the ceiling.

It's far easier to use a sink, handlebars on a bed or wall and stuff like that. If he did, then he would almost certainly be in a kneeling position because it's far easier to leverage the thing you are strangling yourself with your muscles that way.

This is why detention facilities have to go out of their way to make certain rooms more or less "suicide proof": there can't be anything there that they can use to strangle themselves nor can there be sharp edges.
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Broken necks from hangings are a result of a drop not pressure from a kneeling position
 
Eddie Dane said:
In literally every conversation I've read about Epstein he is called a paedophile.

But paedophile refers to attraction tot prepubescent children if I'm not mistaken. I don't even know the correct term for attraction to teenagers before the age of consent. Is that paederast?

Incel now means sexless nerd on the verge of a mass shooting. It used to just be a guy who couldn't get laid. As far as I know, there now isn't a term to describe men who can't get a girlfriend AND don't want to unload an AK-47 in a mall. Although I suspect that this demographic is considerably larger.
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I said as much in a thread on this forum a while back. I first heard the term "incel" 20+ years ago, and it was basically a group of people who couldn't get laid and were sad about it. Now it apparently only refers to those who can't get laid and are furiously angry and/or violently misogynistic about it. I don't doubt that that's a significant problem, but it's a shame that the (far bigger?) group have essentially lost their group identity and can't talk about their issue anymore without being thought of as monsters.

Similar thing with "nice guy", which I've been informed is one of those phrases that now means the exact opposite of what it says, to everybody. Everybody who matters, anyway.
 
There is already a conspiracy theory thread elsewhere. That would be a good place for someone to introduce facts about which bones were broken, how, and how the injuries might vary from the "official story" or whatever. :rolleyes:
 
The pig was 66 years old. So it seems to me that a broken neck could be quite feasible from a self-inflicted strangulation situation when you consider that our bones and joints become weaker and more brittle as we age, even more so if our health is poor. Particularly if he wrapped the sheet tight enough around his neck that might cause it to snap as the body naturally starts to desperately flail, fight, and spasm during those last gasps for air.
 
The broken bones are the result of a murderer infiltrating his cell, committing the homicide, and then escaping. The assassin will prove to be especially clever if there is no forensic evidence of a struggle. The lack of physical evidence points to Clintoncide. That's how the nefarious crime family operates.
 
Cain said:
The broken bones are the result of a murderer infiltrating his cell, committing the homicide, and then escaping. The assassin will prove to be especially clever if there is no forensic evidence of a struggle. The lack of physical evidence points to Clintoncide. That's how the nefarious crime family operates.
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In fact i am convinced that Killary personally snuck into the prison and intentionally killed him in such a way only to troll the armchair prison suicide experts and Killary hunters out there.
 
Arcade22 said:
In fact i am convinced that Killary personally snuck into the prison and intentionally killed him in such a way only to troll the armchair prison suicide experts and Killary hunters out there.
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This is very plausible. Maybe her health wasn't as poor as we were led to believe during the 2016 campaign. She may have been faking illness in order to lose the election and murder Epstein under precisely these circumstances. Why assassinate him at rape island when you can do it at a federal prison? The pieces are coming together...
 
Cain said:
This is very plausible. Maybe her health wasn't as poor as we were led to believe during the 2016 campaign. She may have been faking illness in order to lose the election and murder Epstein under precisely these circumstances. Why assassinate him at rape island when you can do it at a federal prison? The pieces are coming together...
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