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The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29

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Hmmm. Transferred to Turin in 2013, but statute of limitations ran out in 2016. THREE YEARS (or at least two years if it happened to have been Dec 13 - Jan 16). Either a(nother) searing indictment of the Italian criminal justice system's inefficiency..... or something a little more sinister.

Love Mignini's quote there as well: "It took me seven years to be right". Not "It took seven years for the correct process to be followed" or "It took seven years for the courts to find in my favour". More grandstanding narcissism from our favourite Italian prosecutor :) :rolleyes:
 
Hmmm. Transferred to Turin in 2013, but statute of limitations ran out in 2016. THREE YEARS (or at least two years if it happened to have been Dec 13 - Jan 16). Either a(nother) searing indictment of the Italian criminal justice system's inefficiency..... or something a little more sinister.

Love Mignini's quote there as well: "It took me seven years to be right". Not "It took seven years for the correct process to be followed" or "It took seven years for the courts to find in my favour". More grandstanding narcissism from our favourite Italian prosecutor :) :rolleyes:

But it's interesting to look closely at the errors of the Florence judiciary as well, as stated in the Wikipedia article:

".... Mignini objected that the Florence Magistrates had no jurisdiction on him because of their office's conflict of interest and requested that the investigation be moved to Turin. Preliminary judge {of the Florence judiciary} Dania Mori turned down his request. ....

In November 2011, a Court of Appeals accepted his {Mignini's} preliminary objection and annulled the previous conviction, also declaring the prosecution by Florentine magistrates illegitimate - since some of the Florence prosecutors were also the offended parties - and sent the investigation file to a prosecutor in Turin. The Prosecution General of Florence appealed against the decision at the Supreme Court, so factually blocking the transfer to Turin for at least another year. In February 2013 the Florence office lost their appeal and the Supreme Court ordered the investigation be moved to Turin. Mignini said "It took me 7 years to be right". In 2016, the court of Turin dropped the remaining charges due to statutory terms expiration."

If the preliminary judge from Florence had ruled sensibly, the case would have gone to Turin and potentially would have been resolved within the statute of limitations. Similarly, a year was wasted by the Florence prosecutor appealing the 2011 Court of Appeals ruling.

The Italian judiciary and prosecutors should understand conflict of interest just as Mignini did. Oh wait, apparently neither he nor the Perugia courts understand it either ... because otherwise Amanda's complaints about her mistreatment during the interrogation would have referred to an independent prosecutor.

It's possible that the whole trial of Mignini was meant as a kind of warning, not a serious attempt at obtaining a conviction. And/or the Italian courts and prosecutors are incredibly incompetent.

And it's possible the whole exercise of prosecuting Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito was motivated as a means of preventing any prosecution of the police or Mignini for the illegal interrogation mistreatment of Amanda.
 
In Italy it is illegal to libel the police and the justice system. This was a law brought in to control the nefarious activities of the mafia, one of whose favourite tactics was to do just that.


Edda's and Curt's PR campaign to blacken the name of the Italians was not only contemptible and self-serving but also amounted to breaking Italian law.

A prosecutor has no choice but to prosecute whenever the law is broken. That is the job description of a prosecutor.

Vixen feels happy to live in a country where criticising police/prosecutors is a criminal offence. When Vixen talks about libeling the police could Vixen define what she means by libel. Does this only refer to instances where there is a clear evidence someone has made a false claim against the police. For instance, someone makes a claim a policeman swore at him but the policeman produces body cam footage which shows this claim is false. Someone makes a claim of police misconduct but can't prove it. Should he still be prosecuted under libel. For instance, the police raid someone's house and the suspect insists the police planted drugs but can't prove it. Should any criticism of the police be a criminal offence even there is conclusive evidence of misconduct. For instance, a policeman assaults someone and it is caught on CCTV. Should it be a criminal offence to point out the policeman has assaulted someone even when there is slam dunk evidence of this.

Vixen claims the name of the Italians was blackened by Edda and Curt's PR campaign. As can be seen in the links below numerous abuses were committed against Amand and Raffaele at the hands of the Italian Justice System. Why was PR necessary to blacken the name of the Italians when they did a perfectly good job themselves?

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/raffaeles-kitchen-knife/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/contamination-labwork-coverup/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/meredith-kercher-perjury-corruption/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/evidence-destroyed/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/blood-evidence-downstairs-apartment/

https://knoxsollecito.wordpress.com...old-about-amanda-knox-and-raffaele-sollecito/

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/myths.html

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?
postid=11071314#post11071314
 
What dreadful gibberish. Mignini was only the prosecutor for the first merits court. It was Crini and Commodi who took over at the appeals.

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If the above is true, I wonder why a certain Dottore Mignini is reading a certain letter to the Hellmann appeal court, as captured in this video?
Meredith, Rudy accusa Amanda e Raffaele. Ecco il video integrale...

Just for the record (Vixen apparently was fooled by this one):
Netflixhoax 29: Which Took A Harder Line Against Sollecito & Knox? The Prosecutors Or The Courts?
Dr Mignini was indeed the first prosecutor in the Perugia case. But from late in 2008 when a trial became a near-certainty he shared the job with Dr Comodi.

She herself is well known throughout Italy as a fine prosecutor in her own right.

In 2011 new prosecutors (in Florence) took on the Hellman appeal. New prosecutors (in Florence) took on the Nencini appeal. And there were no prosecutors at all at the Supreme Court in Rome in 2012 and 2015 - In each session it was judges who presented the case as best they could.

(Oh, did Netflix not tell you that?!)
According to that one the Hellmann appeal took place in Florence...:confused:
Just for the record ;)
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A prosecutor has no choice but to prosecute whenever the law is broken. That is the job description of a prosecutor.

Wrong. "No plaintiff, no judge" is the rule also in Italy...

With apparently one exception that is calunnia (Art. 368 cp)...
As it was demonstrated by judge Nencini during closing arguments (pages 193-195):
Pertanto credo che... ora a integrazione, il collega Magnante è precisissimo, Presidente, per tornare al discorso dell’HIV, noi abbiamo trovato i riferimenti. Stanno nel diario. Nel diario a pagina 33, sequestrato, lei parla che “la scorsa notte” – parliamo del 22 novembre 2007, quindicesimo giorno, questo è il suo diario personale – “la scorsa notte, poco prima di andare a letto mi hanno fatto scendere per vedere ancora un altro dottore; aveva i risultati di un test che mi aveva fatto, secondo i quali ero positiva all’HIV; mi ha anche detto di non preoccuparmi perché potrebbe trattarsi di un errore; mi faranno il test la prossima settimana. La mia testa, un atroce mal di testa, come mai? Sono in prigione per un crimine e potrei anche avere l’HIV. Voglio sposarmi, voglio avere dei bambini, voglio creare qualcosa di positivo, voglio diventare vecchia, voglio il mio tempo, voglio la mia vita. Perché tutto questo? Non riesco a credere”. Ecco la lista delle persone con cui ha avuto... quindi c’è un riferimento ben preciso su questo. E la circostanza viene anche riferita alla mamma, quindi c’è l’intercettazione e c’è anche la deposizione del 19/06 del 2009, pagina 83, di Edda Mellas, che è la mamma, la quale anche lei dice che appunto la figlia avrebbe riferito, confidato, che in carcere a un certo punto gli hanno fatto un accertamento medico ed è risultata positiva all’HIV. E poi spiega che poi in realtà il problema si è risolto. Quindi la circostanza viene provata da questi elementi.
PRESIDENTE – Sì. Ora, mi scusi l’interruzione, ma volevo chiarire questo aspetto perché non vorrei si desse l’impressione, o aver dato l’impressione di essere, come dire, estremamente pignolo su questioni di certificati. Ma siccome se Dio vuole è tutto registrato, possiamo risentirlo se vogliamo...
AVV. DALLA VEDOVA – No...
PRESIDENTE - ...nella parte della sua arringa, si capiva che vi erano state due analisi fatte, si capiva, per ottenere delle informazioni dalla Amanda Knox e poi, una volta ottenute le informazioni, si era tranquillizzata la Amanda Knox sul fatto che non era più sieropositiva. Ora, siccome tutta questa attività, se fosse avvenuta, e mi pare di capire che non è avvenuta, con queste finalità, avrebbe dei profili di rilevanza penale, e questa Corte...
AVV. DALLA VEDOVA – Certo.
PRESIDENTE - ...aveva l’obbligo...AVV. DALLA VEDOVA – Certo.
PRESIDENTE - ...di segnalarli , io ho voluto chiarire questo aspetto, perché poi verba volant, scripta manent.Il verbale è qualcosa che deve corrispondere alla realtà. Oggi, ora viene fuori in maniera molto esatta, che fu fatto quindi un accertamento su Amanda, che fu sbagliato, come tante volte capita, fu ripetuto e fu... e queste notizie provengono da Amanda Knox. Adesso è chiarito l’aspetto, ma non era un’attività, come dire, cervellotica della Corte.
AVV. DALLA VEDOVA – No.
PRESIDENTE – Era per non ritrovarsi poi nella spiacevole situazione, in Camera di Consiglio, di dover decidere che cosa fare di un verbale. Ecco, non volevamo trovarci in questa spiacevolissima situazione. Bene. Detto questo, prego
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What dreadful gibberish. Mignini was only the prosecutor for the first merits court. It was Crini and Commodi who took over at the appeals.

Oh don't tell me: 'all Italian prosecutors are in a conspiracy to frame Amanda Knox'.

Um, no. Mignini was a prosecutor in the Hellmann appeal trial in Perugia (not Florence). NEXT!
 
If the above is true, I wonder why a certain Dottore Mignini is reading a certain letter to the Hellmann appeal court, as captured in this video?Meredith, Rudy accusa Amanda e Raffaele. Ecco il video integrale...

Just for the record (Vixen apparently was fooled by this one):
Netflixhoax 29: Which Took A Harder Line Against Sollecito & Knox? The Prosecutors Or The Courts?

According to that one the Hellmann appeal took place in Florence...:confused:
Just for the record ;)
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That's a fake video put out by the massive million dollar PR machine!: Jaw-dropp
 
It's possible that the whole trial of Mignini was meant as a kind of warning, not a serious attempt at obtaining a conviction. And/or the Italian courts and prosecutors are incredibly incompetent.

And it's possible the whole exercise of prosecuting Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito was motivated as a means of preventing any prosecution of the police or Mignini for the illegal interrogation mistreatment of Amanda.

Mignini should write a book, because there are things about all this that he is not telling us. (This accusation of is shamelessly lift from barbie Nadeau.)

The book would begin with the sentence he once let slip to one of the news agencies which, if I remember correctly (Methos?), was. "My troubles started with the Narducci investigation."

If George Clooney ever does his "Monster of Florence" film, in which he plays Douglas Preston, the very last scene will be....

Mignini being driven down to a small cottage in the student district of Perugia where a murder victim had just been found by Postal Police, where the body had been locked in her own bedroom. On the way down, Mignini was musing the trouble he, himself, was in with the formal charges brought against him for abuse of office. He thought to himself, "If I'd been that prosecutor, I'd have had myself put in preventative detention. But here I am, going to yet another, more garden variety case."

As he exits his car he walks toward the mutli-level cottage, quickly making note to himself that that broken, upper-storey window could not have been an entry-point. But he's interrupted by Napoeloni, who is the cop in charge of the crime-scene. It is her first case in which she is the lead.

Napoleoni points out a young couple standing alone off to one side, and motions for them to come over to meet the PM. The young woman couldn't be more than 20 years-old, and in very simple, heavily American-accented Italian says to him:

"Mi chiamo Amanda Knox. Sono il coinquilino della vittima."
 
Bill, Bill, Bill...don't you know that making up scenarios that never happened is what the prosecution and the PGP (and one in particular with a very vivid imagination), do?
 
Bill, Bill, Bill...don't you know that making up scenarios that never happened is what the prosecution and the PGP (and one in particular with a very vivid imagination), do?

Forgive me, I'm a draftee. But my spelling is poor.
 
Mignini should write a book, because there are things about all this that he is not telling us. (This accusation of is shamelessly lift from barbie Nadeau.)

The book would begin with the sentence he once let slip to one of the news agencies which, if I remember correctly (Methos?), was. "My troubles started with the Narducci investigation."

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I think this is the quote you are looking for (from The Guardian, Oct 3rd, 2011):
Just before the final summing up in the Knox appeal began, Mignini discussed his handling of an older case, the "Monster of Florence" serial killer, and his belief that his investigation of the 1985 death of a freemason, Francesco Narducci, that he linked to the case was mysteriously blocked.

"I have felt under attack ever since I investigated Narducci," he told the Guardian. "It all started there."
 
"I have felt under attack ever since I investigated Narducci," he told the Guardian. "It all started there."

He indicts 20 people in a massive cover up conspiracy theory about a double body switch, all of whom are later acquitted, and he's the 'victim'?
Feelings of persecution much there, Giuliano?
 
"I have felt under attack ever since I investigated Narducci," he told the Guardian. "It all started there."

He indicts 20 people in a massive cover up conspiracy theory about a double body switch, all of whom are later acquitted, and he's the 'victim'?
Feelings of persecution much there, Giuliano?

It actually is not many people at all, but there are people out there in Italy who still regard Mignini as a victim of the Narducci investigation (a so-called victimization which they see as extending into Mignini's persecution of AK and RS and a lot of people who supported them) - these people are completely blind to the well-earned abuse of office charges he ran into, even if he "beat the rap" on what I regard as a (convenient) technicality. Mignini gave it the old college try, to extend that persecution to Douglas Preston. It seems that even his judicial enemies in Italy did not want to take it as far as sending him to prison. A PM in prison!?

Of course there are the remaining English-language guilter-nutters congregated around the sole remaining on-line presence of Mignini-fans: TJMK. Look at how Vixen responds to criticism of Mignini. The man can do know wrong.
 
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Contrast the guilter deification of Mignini and co with what people say about the police/prosecutors in the OJ Simpson/Casey Anthony/Jonbenet Ramsey cases. The people expect convictions and are unhappy when the state doesn't get them.

An alien visiting earth that doesn't understand our customs/emotions/biases/delusions but can process basic logic and reasoning would guess that FOAKERs would love Mignini (since he failed at his job to secure convictions against Amanda) and guilters would hate him (since he failed at his job to secure convictions against Amanda). Then be surprised to find the opposite.
 
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Contrast the guilter deification of Mignini and co with what people say about the police/prosecutors in the OJ Simpson/Casey Anthony/Jonbenet Ramsey cases. The people expect convictions and are unhappy when the state doesn't get them.

An alien visiting earth that doesn't understand our customs/emotions/biases/delusions but can process basic logic and reasoning would guess that FOAKERs would love Mignini (since he failed at his job to secure convictions against Amanda) and guilters would hate him (since he failed at his job to secure convictions against Amanda). Then be surprised to find the opposite.

It's really rather easy to understand the PGP vision of Mignini: he was the man trying heroically to get two killers rightly convicted but couldn't overcome the powerful dark forces of the mafia, Freemasons, and the US government conspiring to 'get them off'. Conti, Vecchiotti, defense experts, and even judges were 'bent' and in bed with the defense.
 
"I have felt under attack ever since I investigated Narducci," he told the Guardian. "It all started there."

He indicts 20 people in a massive cover up conspiracy theory about a double body switch, all of whom are later acquitted, and he's the 'victim'?
Feelings of persecution much there, Giuliano?

It's interesting that Dottore Mignini is singing this song since 2008. The following quote is from his closing arguments in front of judge Micheli (pages 2 and 3):
Ma non basta ancora: supportati da qualche noto giallista, totalmente sprovvisto di cultura giuridica specie degli ordinamenti stranieri e terrorizzato da inesistenti provvedimenti di espulsione o di arresto nei suoi confronti (che esistono solo nella sua indubbiamente fervida fantasia di scrittore) e sostenitore fideistico di teorie investigative ormai definitivamente sconfessate a livello giudiziario e calunniose per innocenti, hanno cercato di legare strumentalmente questo delitto di Perugia a vicende criminali efferate e crudeli, quanto inquietanti, inquinate e sordide, accadute non lontano da qui e le ramificazioni locali di tali vicende.

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But it is not enough yet: supported by some well-known mystery writer, totally devoid of legal culture, especially of foreign legal systems and terrified of non-existent expulsion or arrest orders against him (which exist only in his undoubtedly fervent imagination as a writer) and fideistic supporter of theories investigations now definitively disavowed to the judiciary level and slanderous for the innocent, have tried to instrumentally link this crime of Perugia to brutal and cruel, as disturbing, polluted and sordid, happenings not far from here and the local ramifications of such events.
Well, I guess we know who and what he's talking about, don't we?

Just for the record: An OCR of the first few pages of this document and a google translation are available in the "first trial transcript translations?" thread on IA. It's an interesting thing to read... ;)
 
It actually is not many people at all, but there are people out there in Italy who still regard Mignini as a victim of the Narducci investigation (a so-called victimization which they see as extending into Mignini's persecution of AK and RS and a lot of people who supported them) - these people are completely blind to the well-earned abuse of office charges he ran into, even if he "beat the rap" on what I regard as a (convenient) technicality. Mignini gave it the old college try, to extend that persecution to Douglas Preston. It seems that even his judicial enemies in Italy did not want to take it as far as sending him to prison. A PM in prison!?

Of course there are the remaining English-language guilter-nutters congregated around the sole remaining on-line presence of Mignini-fans: TJMK. Look at how Vixen responds to criticism of Mignini. The man can do know wrong.

Vixen feels that all prosecutors are honest, decent and ethical and corrupt prosecutors don't exist. Because of this Vixen will always defend prosecutors regardless of their record.
 
It's interesting that Dottore Mignini is singing this song since 2008. The following quote is from his closing arguments in front of judge Micheli (pages 2 and 3):


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But it is not enough yet: supported by some well-known mystery writer, totally devoid of legal culture, especially of foreign legal systems and terrified of non-existent expulsion or arrest orders against him (which exist only in his Quote:
But it is not enough yet: supported by some well-known mystery writer, totally devoid of legal culture, especially of foreign legal systems and terrified of non-existent expulsion or arrest orders against him (which exist only in his undoubtedly fervent imagination as a writer) and fideistic supporter of theories investigations now definitively disavowed to the judiciary level and slanderous for the innocent, have tried to instrumentally link this crime of Perugia to brutal and cruel, as disturbing, polluted and sordid, happenings not far from here and the local ramifications of such events. as a writer) and fideistic supporter of theories investigations now definitively disavowed to the judiciary level and slanderous for the innocent, have tried to instrumentally link this crime of Perugia to brutal and cruel, as disturbing, polluted and sordid, happenings not far from here and the local ramifications of such events.
Well, I guess we know who and what he's talking about, don't we?

Wow. My irony meter just exploded.

If anyone had an "undoubtedly fervent imagination" it was Mignini!
 
It's really rather easy to understand the PGP vision of Mignini: he was the man trying heroically to get two killers rightly convicted but couldn't overcome the powerful dark forces of the mafia, Freemasons, and the US government conspiring to 'get them off'. Conti, Vecchiotti, defense experts, and even judges were 'bent' and in bed with the defense.

Let's see if the dark forces can reconvene to free the two alleged American cop killers in Italy. Both from highly privileged families in the richest area of the country. Will we see future US presidents declaring "this is an outrageous miscarriage of justice" or State Department sources stating "there 'is not any way' the U.S. will arrest them, nor will it have them declared a fugitive."? Only time will tell...
 
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