2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker - Part II

[varwoche]

Getting directly to the source to avoid confusion, here is Warren's plan.

Like it or not, clearly it's a plan with specific points that are obviously pertinent to rural America. I suspect that people who dismiss this as a non-plan are echoing right wing BS, as opposed to reading the plan.

 

[varwoche]

I do't know about the Scientoogy claim, but any review of Williamson past shows she is a classic New Age Nutjob.

That's what I think too. She has said all sorts of things that are sure not to be popular with people who are reality-based. But just because we have a low opinion of her doesn't mean it's copacetic to hang every tenuous rumor around her neck.

I'd also like to remind readers that professional bodies such as the APA question how much anti-depressants are prescribed.

 

[Aridas]

You obviously didn't read it because there's no plan there just the usual rail against big business and the promise of medicare-for-all and hopefully that'll help rural America ..........somehow

That's really all that deserves, especially after jimbob took the time to illustrate how horrendously wrong you are. Thank you, jimbob, for sparing me any reason to respond with more than that.

• That’s why I’ve pledged to address consolidation in the agriculture sector by reviewing — and reversing — anti-competitive mergers and breaking up big agribusinesses that have become vertically integrated.
• And I’ll take it one step further — charting a new farm economy that replaces our government’s failed approach with one that guarantees farmers a fair price and protects our environment.

I'm not sure how these last two would work, or indeed if it would actually be a good idea, but that is indeed more than just "medicare for all".

For those last two... if you're curious, they're gone into in much more depth with Leveling the Playing Field for America’s Family Farmers and A New Farm Economy, respectively. Unsurprisingly, both look rather sensible, overall.

I didn't follow the link -- it wants a sign-in.

Small note - Medium has yet to actually require me to sign-in. I've been able to close the request and even just refresh the page to avoid being bothered to do so.

 

[jimbob]

That's really all that deserves, especially after jimbob took the time to illustrate how horrendously wrong you are. Thank you, jimbob, for sparing me any reason to respond with more than that.



For those last two... if you're curious, they're gone into in much more depth with Leveling the Playing Field for America’s Family Farmers and A New Farm Economy, respectively. Unsurprisingly, both look rather sensible, overall.



Small note - Medium has yet to actually require me to sign-in. I've been able to close the request and even just refresh the page to avoid being bothered to do so.

 

[theprestige]

How is that different?
Obviously membership and supporting the organization isn't true, but yes, is the answer to your first question.

I disagree. I think that there's a big difference between holding similar views, and endorsing someone else's views.

Also, Scientology is a cynical scam that preaches anti-psychiatry in support of their own alternative offering, upon which their entire business model is based.

People who have misgivings about psychiatry for other reasons are not endorsing Scientology and don't concern me the way Scientologists concern me. She can be wrong about psychology without being a Scientologist, and that seems to be the case here.

So Williamson has been citing a Scientology paper but otherwise has no connection to promoting Scientology. Seems clear enough including how Wasapi's mistake happened.
Instead of trying to change the subject to Wasapi's comment (which needed to be addressed mind you but now has been), perhaps we can get back to all the reasons supporting Williamson is either trolling, or impossible to honestly and intelligently support given she's a nut-case.

Okay, sure. Be my guest. But I voted for Trump in 2016. You're probably going to have a hard time finding a mainstream Dem candidate I'd prefer over Williamson. Who should I like more? Biden? Harris? Mayor Pete? Roberto O'Rourke?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Williamson is giving her 15 minute speech at the Iowa State Fair on CSPAN.

She's spewing a big CT that all health problems are caused by chemicals in the environment, corporations are poisoning you, we don't need health insurance reform, we need to get chemicals out of the environment.

If you can stomach it and you really want to know what she's about: watch for yourself.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Trump says that even Joe Biden is a radical leftist. Hell, Joe is so middle-of-the-road, he had one ball removed to be closer to the national average.

 

[applecorped]

That's really all that deserves, especially after jimbob took the time to illustrate how horrendously wrong you are. Thank you, jimbob, for sparing me any reason to respond with more than that.



For those last two... if you're curious, they're gone into in much more depth with Leveling the Playing Field for America’s Family Farmers and A New Farm Economy, respectively. Unsurprisingly, both look rather sensible, overall.



Small note - Medium has yet to actually require me to sign-in. I've been able to close the request and even just refresh the page to avoid being bothered to do so.

somehow...

 

[varwoche]

somehow...

What, is that some sort of terse patois meaning "Oops I really stepped in it this time "?

 

[Aridas]

time well spent

I'm glad you like me comforting you that much!

 

[jimbob]

somehow...

Go on, why don't you explain how Trump's policy of trashing US soybean and grain exports is better for rural America than Warren's proposals?

 

[The Atheist]

The Biden train must surely have left the station now?

poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids

 

[Venom]

Biden caught himself there a bit afterwards, but the damage was done.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Watched Tom Steyer at the Iowa Fair on CSPAN. I hope he makes it to the debate stage. I could vote for this guy.

I'm trying hard to favor a female candidate but when I hear Steyer I'm impressed. I remember how much Obama was still establishment, not that Obama didn't do a great job, but there were disappointments. The only female candidate I think is not more of the same establishment is Warren and I'm not totally convinced she could win against Trump. It's too easy for the right wing to demonize 'socialists'.

 

[The Atheist]

Biden caught himself there a bit afterwards, but the damage was done.

More importantly. Joe is as likely to trip over his own tongue as Trump, and you'd really want someone with clear and concise speech to make a fool of him than another old white bloke who's as likely as Trump to say something outrageous.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

More importantly. Joe is as likely to trip over his own tongue as Trump, and you'd really want someone with clear and concise speech to make a fool of him than another old white bloke who's as likely as Trump to say something outrageous.

He's simply uninspiring and that's a bad place to start from.

 

[Cabbage]

Watched Tom Steyer at the Iowa Fair on CSPAN. I hope he makes it to the debate stage. I could vote for this guy.

I'm trying hard to favor a female candidate but when I hear Steyer I'm impressed. I remember how much Obama was still establishment, not that Obama didn't do a great job, but there were disappointments. The only female candidate I think is not more of the same establishment is Warren and I'm not totally convinced she could win against Trump. It's too easy for the right wing to demonize 'socialists'.

In fact, it's so easy that any Democratic candidate that wins the nomination will be demonized as 'socialist'.

 

[Aridas]

In fact, it's so easy that any Democratic candidate that wins the nomination will be demonized as 'socialist'.

And already has, really. Once more, understand and remember that "socialist" is being used by a number of these people in ways that include such controversial things as supporting public schooling. Thus, all the Democratic Party candidates easily apply.

It may also be worth noting that the current push for charter/private schools can likely be largely traced back to Virginia - as they fought against school desegregation. They literally passed and enforced laws to force the shut down of public schools that were willing to go along with the Supreme Court decision requiring that public schools desegregate while working on getting a private schools where they could still legally segregate running and a lot of the other southern states followed their lead. If I recall correctly, one of the major reasons that Harry Byrd, one of the extremely influential political figures in Virginia at the time, fell from grace largely because he was favoring the complete abolition of public schooling as the solution to that Supreme Court decision. That's not to say that it was all about racism, however much racism was inseparable from the decision-making process in a number of ways (when extremely racist rules are very, very strongly stacking the deck in one's political and economic favor and the other answers than racism mostly only come out with extra prompting, it's safe to call it inseparable). That's a bit of an aside, though.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

In fact, it's so easy that any Democratic candidate that wins the nomination will be demonized as 'socialist'.

No, not buying that. Sanders and Warren are campaigning on free ponies. No one else is that blatant.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Also wrong.

Much to your probable disappointment, few on this forum are stupid enough to believe you actually support Williamson.