2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker - Part II

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Tonight's debate [warning] you will need to get past the STFU yelling it opened with and the moderators are doing a poor job controlling the candidates[/warning]:

Klobuchar and Warren look the best so far. And Buttigieg looks really stong.

Sanders is still telling us the other countries do it, ergo we should be able to too. That is not going to sell as a campaign slogan.

There are a couple governors that sound like they are in the pocket of big money.
 
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Oh gawd, now we are into, "I grew up poor". I wonder what O'Rourke is going to say.


Willianson is not as flakey as Stein. Good luck with the 'love each other' though.


Ryan is feeling left out.

Klobuchar has a friend.... sob sob sob. I know that's sarcastic but I think these personal stories are overdone.


I like Buttigieg I wonder if he can win.

Warren grew up poor yada yada. Though I come away thinking Warren can win.


Yay, it's over.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Am I the only one watching?

Sad. ;)
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I was off hanging out with a friend. As I'm catching up, though... first thing I'm coming across is - CNN was invoking Republican talking point after Republican talking point, interrupting candidates frequently before they could say pretty much anything of substance, working to pit them against each other...

Seriously, this is what the Republicans are holding up as the liberal, leftist, Democrat controlled media?:eye-poppi If they were pulling that crap, it may as well have been held by Fox News. ETA: Admittedly, for those of us who consider CNN to have a pro-establishment, pro-corporate agenda, this really isn't much of a surprise at all, but rather is more a continuation of the usual and just gives all the more reason to eye-roll at the librul media hater crowd.

Buttigieg apparently had a great moment with - “It is time to stop worrying about what the Republicans will say. It's true that if we embrace a far-left agenda, they're gonna say we're a bunch of crazy socialists. If we embrace a conservative agenda, you know what they're gonna do? They're gonna say we're a bunch of crazy socialists. So let's just stand up for the right policy, go out there and defend it.”

Warren remains my favorite, though, unsurprisingly. Delaney looks like he pretty much became her foil tonight, though, with moments like - “We're Democrats. We're not taking away health care from anyone. That's Republicans, and we should stop using their talking points.” and “I don't understand why someone goes to the trouble of running for president of the United States just to talk about what we really shouldn't do or can't fight for.”

Bernie also had a nice moment with his "I do know, I wrote the damn bill." when poked at on the effects of Medicare for All.
 
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I generally liked Klobuchar about as much as Warren, but in the debate she was weak on ideas, repeating talking points.
Pete is doing well, Beto is impoved but soon history. The Ohio guy is good for Ohio, a midlle of the road guy but with ideas on auto industry. No national appeal.

Moderates fiercely tried strawman arguments, saying free healthcare will lead to free everything:
Steve Bullock immediately criticized “wish-list economics” in his first turn on a presidential debate stage, Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota pointedly declared that her proposals “are grounded in reality” and Delaney invoked Democratic failed nominees like George McGovern, Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis, warning of “bad policies like Medicare for all, free everything and impossible promises that will turn off independent voters and get Trump re-elected.”
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https://time.com/5639682/2020-democratic-debate-detroit/
 
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Sounds like Hickenlooper, Delaney, Bullock, Ryan etc... were Star Trek red shirts. Useless also-rans who were blown away by Sanders and Warren. Good! Clear them out!
 
I see a lot of people here seem to want to get Trump reelected.
Just keep up this hartred of moderates and centrists. You are doing Trump a huge favor.
Amazing how ideology blinds people to reality.
 
Winners from last night:

Warren
Sanders
Buttigieg

Buttigieg's response about money in politics is the best I've heard so far.

I predict he won't be able to keep his campaign as hot as Warren and Sanders though.
 
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Winners from last night:

Warren
Sanders
Buttigieg

Buttigieg's response about money in politics is the best I've heard so far.

I predict he won't be able to keep his campaign as hot as Warren and Sanders though.
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You just don't get that nominating somebody far to the left..by US standards...will hand relection to Donnie on a silver platter?
 
After a bit of consideration, it's probably worthwhile to post this link of one of the things that happened right after the debate.

Chris Matthews of MSNBC was really, really pushing to get Warren to back up a misleading Republican talking point and doing it quite rudely. And again, this is supposedly the leftist, Democrat loving MSNBC that so many on the right like to reflexively point at as if it was the Democratic equivalent of Fox News.
 
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