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New Zealanders are refusing to turn over guns under new law

smartcooky said:
I understand it ain't easy, but I have no desire to do so. 243 Win is perfect for what I use the Savage for - target shooting. It might be a varmint rifle, but I've never used it for that.
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It is easy. It is better if you are able to borrow the headspace gauges to avoid the expense of buying them. Or you could use a commercial round.
 
theprestige said:
Does a right cease to exist because a particular government doesn't recognize it?
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Well the Texas rebellion is a great example of this. See the right to own slaves was not recognized in mexico so when these american slave owners immigrated with their slaves they ran into certain friction with the government. But they fought and god showed they were right and the right of the white man to own the black man is universal even if a government doesn't recognize it.
 
theprestige said:
Apologies if this has been covered already, but do we know where the Christchurch shooter got his arms?
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He got some of his weapons and ammunition from Reloaders Supplies, a gun store in Onehunga, Auckland, and some from Gun City (not sure which branch), but not the ones he actually used in the shooting. The source of those is a mystery. They were probably a private sale, but no-one is owning up to selling them to him.
 
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smartcooky said:
He got some of his weapons and ammunition from Reloaders Supplies, a gun store in Onehunga, Auckland, and some from Gun City (not sure which branch), but not the ones he actually used in the shooting. The source of those is a mystery. They were probably a private sale, but no-one is owning up to selling them to him.
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Thanks!
 
Does NZ have a registration scheme that would allow a trace to determine who he bought them from? Surely the manufacturer/dealers can provide info on who was the owner after it was sold?

How hard is it to simply mail the parts to yourself in NZ from another country?
 
Ranb said:
Does NZ have a registration scheme that would allow a trace to determine who he bought them from? Surely the manufacturer/dealers can provide info on who was the owner after it was sold?
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No, we don't, only for special weapons that require licence endorsement such as for pistols

Some politicians tried to have one introduced after the Aramoana spree shooting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand#Aramoana_and_the_1992_amendments_to_the_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand#Thorp_Report_1997

There was not the political will or public support. That has changed now with the events in Christchurch in March.

Ranb said:
How hard is it to simply mail the parts to yourself in NZ from another country?
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You will need a permit for that, and NZ Customs will seize any firearms related goods. If you don't have a permit (and you can't apply for one retrospectively) your goods will be confiscated, and you are likely to be prosecuted.
 
smartcooky said:
You will need a permit for that, and NZ Customs will seize any firearms related goods. If you don't have a permit (and you can't apply for one retrospectively) your goods will be confiscated, and you are likely to be prosecuted.
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I meant illegally. The person who will murder might also attempt to circumvent import restrictions on firearms.
 
smartcooky said:
Yet to be determined. As I made clear when I replied to you in post #184, the banning of certain firearms is only the first step.
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For clarity, they are not banned, just restricted to a prohibited classification, Like Australia.
 
Ranb said:
I meant illegally. The person who will murder might also attempt to circumvent import restrictions on firearms.
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being an Island nation very far from everywhere that becomes really hard. All mail goes through customs and is x-rayed and screened for illegal items. Passenger baggage is all x-rayed, and shipping containers are checked, especially personal goods ones not being moved by recognised companies. The more legit the transportation company, the less likely things are to be searched with a fine tooth comb, but the less likely they are to carry anything without the paperwork.
 
Ranb said:
What if...
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When my kids start a question with that, I always counter with "What if an asteroid crashes into earth right now?"

Ranb said:
So what can NZ residents look forward to?
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Fewer gun deaths is my pick.

A lot of domestic violence is perpetrated at the bad end of a legal gun. It's one area where white blokes lead the field, and history shows that fewer guns = fewer murders.

How's that working out for USA?

a_unique_person said:
Can I just say that, as an Australian, New Zealand is a small island. With a small population.
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Bollocks. Even individually, both halves of NZ are in the top 14 islands, and together they'd rank 7th.

As islands go, lots of our couple of thousand are fairly big. Even Stewart Island ranks #220.
 
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