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Cont: Trans Women are not Women II: The Bath Of Khan

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Darat said:
Depends what you mean. For example in the 80s in Manchester many of the Ts would go to the New Union (not the most trendy of the few gay pubs around the area) and they certainly didn't face violence and threats in such a pub. Yes there were some issues in that some of the Gs and Ls were not that friendly or supportive but in the end the commonality of persecution brought the activists together.
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My recollection too. There were lots of tensions between certain groups and trans women in particular, but we were all there in it together.

Bisexuals got a worse run in many ways, especially as in the '80's it was hard to get people to believe there was such a thing. I wasn't around to see LGBT all grouped together. Even the L and G was a difficult marriage.
 
Via CBS

A transgender journalist is expressing concern about how Democrats running for president talk about trans issues. Katelyn Burns, who was the first transgender Capitol Hill reporter in U.S. history, joins CBSN to discuss her latest article in Politico.
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https://twitter.com/transscribe/status/1149054552932519945



ETA: Funny thing about this is that we know Julián Castro practiced his answers time and time again, from last weekend's episode of This American Life.
 
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The Atheist said:
Science!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/11429...gories-due-to-trans-athletes-unfair-advantage
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You mean smashing the women's hurdle world record by 2 full seconds (if I remember correctly) isn't normal? Shocked.

All the women MMA fighters that had to fight a trans then later complained they'd never been hit so hard in their lives actually weren't lying?

This is one of the stupidest subjects ever discussed here, and that is saying a whole lot.

Sorry ladies, we're taking away your bathrooms, your right to your own bodies, and now your sports. Ya let's get things back to where they belong - the dark ages.

WT politically correct F is wrong with people?

And guess what? Scientists will not sway people's opinions on this matter. Science is not politically correct.
 
The Atheist said:
Science!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/11429...gories-due-to-trans-athletes-unfair-advantage
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Interesting:

"Potential solutions include excluding trans women from competing in the women's division, creating a third division for trans women and intersex women and calculating a handicap for trans women based on their testosterone levels – similar to that used in golf.

Their preferred option is an extension of this with a proposed algorithm that could account for a range of parameters, both physical and social, including physiological,*gender identity and could include socioeconomic status."


... could include socioeconomic status? Say goodbye to the Olympics being simply about 'the fastest man/woman in the world'
 
Giz said:
... could include socioeconomic status? Say goodbye to the Olympics being simply about 'the fastest man/woman in the world'
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"You ran faster, but I won because I would have been even faster than you if I'd had a better upbringing and could afford better equipment and training. And if I were a man."

ETA: If this goes through, sooner or later we're going to have a fast woman who beats a slow man, but still loses the race because she didn't beat him by enough to offset her wealth advantage under the handicap rules.

And there are other awkwardnesses ahead of us as well. Sports competitions make money off of people who want to see the best of the best, putting each other to the test. This is why men's events generate far more revenue than women's events. Merging the literal best with the potential best into a single handicapped event will almost certainly reduce viewership and revenue. Presumably this outcome is undesirable to the IOC. Hopefully they don't actually imagine that the "transwomen are women" activists represent a demographic large enough to offset these revenue losses.
 
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theprestige said:
"You ran faster, but I won because I would have been even faster than you if I'd had a better upbringing and could afford better equipment and training. And if I were a man."
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"Fastest Woman in the World with a Gross Annual Income of less that $25,000".

The possible categories are endless.
 
What will happen first? Equal pay for women's soccer? Or the complete destruction of women's soccer?

Sooner or late, a junior varsity men's college team is going to identify as women, go to the world cup, and score points like it was basketball.
 
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Giz said:
Interesting:

... creating a third division for trans women and intersex women ...
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That's the only sensible option, otherwise sport will end up in the same classification debacle that disabled sport has.

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The weirdest thing about all of this is that we now have situations where men make the best women.
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Thailand & Pacific Islands have recognised that for many years.

Depends on what accessories you're after - bit like choosing between a sports car and a kitted-out 4WD.
 
Robin said:
My recollection too. There were lots of tensions between certain groups and trans women in particular, but we were all there in it together.

Bisexuals got a worse run in many ways, especially as in the '80's it was hard to get people to believe there was such a thing. I wasn't around to see LGBT all grouped together. Even the L and G was a difficult marriage.
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This mostly sums up my thoughts. Numerous small group identity folks mostly.tolerate kinda similar identity groups to try to gain special rights over the average citizen. Special.protection under law until they can do whatever they want because they feel it is as they say.

Not every office wants a six foot bloke in a bad wig and a dress greeting arrivals as it may present the wrong image. They don't want a toothless guy dressed like he is homeless for the same reasons. Even if both are perfectly capable of doing the job.

But laws exist in some places saying you couldn't refuse either the job based on appearance.

All it does is change internal policies to where they hire the best applicant based on unstated qualifications.
 
Rolfe said:
I don't know who it is. I don't see any reason to doubt the authenticity of the screen captures though. I've read too many similar ones. Including Jonathan Yaniv.

It may very well be that most of these guys will hold back from actually assaulting anyone and simply get their rocks off by being in women's spaces, watching women's discomfort with their presence, and revelling in the whole charade. It's already been ruled (in the USA I believe) that girls have no right to visual privacy and so long as the man in their locker room doesn't actually touch them he can do what he likes and they have no comeback. Somehow it's not "exposing himself" or flashing if he says he's trans.

But you know what? I don't care. It's "not all transwomen" for sure, but it's a non-trivial proportion of them, and I am sick and tired of being lectured by clueless wokebeards that I should be kind and budge over for them, or worse still I have no right to privacy and not wanting that changing next to me is as bad as racism. I know the author of this blog post in real life. I tell you straight, if I ever see him in the ladies room when I'm there, I will run a mile.

How the freaking hell did we even get into this situation?
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So Yaniv is back in the news. He's trying to organize a topless swimming event for 12 year old girls (well, not only girls, and not only 12, but including them). Parents would be excluded. I guess suing immigrants for refusing to wax his hairy balls isn't enough fun for him anymore. Oh, Canada.
 
From the article about the topless swim:
The swim is for kids who identify as “LGBTQ2S+”.
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What does "2S+" mean?

I'm starting to think that eventually there will be so many letters that everyone will have at least one that applies to them.
 
TomB said:
From the article about the topless swim:


What does "2S+" mean?

I'm starting to think that eventually there will be so many letters that everyone will have at least one that applies to them.
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2S = Two-Spirited
+ = other identities not listed.
 
Bizarrely, I'm already in a position where I could identify as one of the alphabet soup if I chose. I choose not to.
 
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